Since we are starting to see more systems become passively capable of meeting UL3741, what are you guys doing with the disconnect placarding (i.e. the Rapid Shutdown, or lack thereof, placarding)? By passive, I mean systems with no MPLE or switches of any kind, they are just able to meet UL3741 with no additional active switching on the DC side of the system all the time. It's funny that the 2023 moved all other definitions to Art 100 and then added new ones (PVHCS, PVRSE, PVHCE), that nobody really understands to Art 690 with no mention in Art 100, no definition at all, and very little guidance other than to read UL3741 for yourself.
Personally, seeing as there seems to be lack of guidance, or I've missed it, I have been labeling stating exactly that. "This building contains a PV System that may remain energized above 80V even upon opening this disconnect switch and is certified by UL 3741 to meet a Hazard Level of X providing all standard Firefighting PPE is worn and properly maintained."
In reality we have been dealing with this for a while with systems like SolarEdge where the optimizers were switched back to series to reduce current with larger modules but it was sneaky, there is still MLPE, it just remains over 80V and is generally speaking a Hazard Level 1 which means they shouldn't expect to experience anything, and even without PPE would probably not have more than a "tingling sensation." As such nobody has even noticed it, in fact I know plenty of engineers that had a bit of an uh-oh moment in retrospect where they had to brush up on UL 3741 after they realized they've been installing those systems that dont strictly meet rapid shutdown requirements. As the Hazard Levels increase though, this seems to be prudent to point out that the system is only at that hazard level when they are wearing full PPE.
Personally, as a side note, what I hope for is that it becomes required as part of their certification that design/installation specifications state the certified hazard level in an easy to find location - for instance a system can still be passive with a Hazard Level 3 for someone spraying water on energized components; however, that hazard level is 100mA which is consider by UL the limit, with a 66% factor of safety to fibrillation, and serious injury. That means that firefighter is going to feel it. The testing doesn't really consider the fire fighters reaction to that unexpected shock, especially in a compromised area like standing in the measly 3/4' setback at the roof's edge.
For instance, the SE P1101's spec sheet says "SAFETY | IEC62109-1 (class II safety), UL1741, UL3741, CSA C22.2#107.1" and you can subsequently look for and find their published document, "UL 3741 Compliance – SolarEdge’s DC Optimization Architecture – Application Note" which tells you that it is a Hazard Level 1. I think that UL should have a suffix that identifies the certified hazard level like "UL3741-HL1"
Personally, seeing as there seems to be lack of guidance, or I've missed it, I have been labeling stating exactly that. "This building contains a PV System that may remain energized above 80V even upon opening this disconnect switch and is certified by UL 3741 to meet a Hazard Level of X providing all standard Firefighting PPE is worn and properly maintained."
In reality we have been dealing with this for a while with systems like SolarEdge where the optimizers were switched back to series to reduce current with larger modules but it was sneaky, there is still MLPE, it just remains over 80V and is generally speaking a Hazard Level 1 which means they shouldn't expect to experience anything, and even without PPE would probably not have more than a "tingling sensation." As such nobody has even noticed it, in fact I know plenty of engineers that had a bit of an uh-oh moment in retrospect where they had to brush up on UL 3741 after they realized they've been installing those systems that dont strictly meet rapid shutdown requirements. As the Hazard Levels increase though, this seems to be prudent to point out that the system is only at that hazard level when they are wearing full PPE.
Personally, as a side note, what I hope for is that it becomes required as part of their certification that design/installation specifications state the certified hazard level in an easy to find location - for instance a system can still be passive with a Hazard Level 3 for someone spraying water on energized components; however, that hazard level is 100mA which is consider by UL the limit, with a 66% factor of safety to fibrillation, and serious injury. That means that firefighter is going to feel it. The testing doesn't really consider the fire fighters reaction to that unexpected shock, especially in a compromised area like standing in the measly 3/4' setback at the roof's edge.
For instance, the SE P1101's spec sheet says "SAFETY | IEC62109-1 (class II safety), UL1741, UL3741, CSA C22.2#107.1" and you can subsequently look for and find their published document, "UL 3741 Compliance – SolarEdge’s DC Optimization Architecture – Application Note" which tells you that it is a Hazard Level 1. I think that UL should have a suffix that identifies the certified hazard level like "UL3741-HL1"