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under counter wiring

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mickeyrench

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edison, n.j.
when working with ac cable on under cabinets lighting does using ac cable limit you to thbout 8 e choices of lights you can use when you have 8 locations? thanks for the help
 

mdshunk

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Right here.
There is no functional limit to the number of fixtures that may be supplied by type AC cable. Maybe I don't really understand the question. You may end up using duplex connectors in the fixtures, if that's more along the lines of what you're asking.
 

mdshunk

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mickeyrench said:
yes it is . it's about using ac cable with duplex connectors and trying to hide cables from view. is this the way it's done?
I suppose if you feel the overwhelming need to use type AC cable, yes. Be advised that some hardwired under cabinet lights, and in particular many puck lights, are only adaptable to type NM cable. I'd suggest putting your eyeballs on the proposed fixture, or at least get a cut sheet, before you get your heart set on a particular wiring method or types of fittings.
 

celtic

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NJ
mickeyrench said:
it's about using ac cable with duplex connectors and trying to hide cables from view. is this the way it's done?
I have "hidden" a box in the cabinet over the stove....each UC light gets one cable back to JB.

EDIT:
"hidden" meaning...1900 box/appropiate ring or surface mounted 1900....either way, "hidden" from sight when the cabinet door is closed ;)
 

iwire

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celtic said:
"hidden" meaning...1900 box/appropriate ring or surface mounted 1900

Oh man.....you mean I wont have to randomly pull down upper cabinets in search of a box that may not even exist.


You take all the challenge out the job. :D
 

iwire

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stickboy1375 said:
I highly recommend 1 wire per fixture....

Which wire?

Black, white or bare?:grin:

Kidding aside the one cable per fixture suggestion is a good one. :smile:

It's been a long time but I remember trying to close up 1" deep under-counter lights with two 14-2 NMs and having a tough time.
 

celtic

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NJ
iwire said:
Oh man.....you mean I wont have to randomly pull down upper cabinets in search of a box that may not even exist.


You take all the challenge out the job. :D

I'm convinced....lower cabinets is the way to go :D
 

celtic

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NJ
stickboy1375 said:
Hehe... yep, always gotta watch the wording you use around here... :)

I saw that comming....I back-spaced "wire" and used "cable" ;)


I saw how many posts Bob had this morning...figured he's on at least his third pot of coffee.... ;)
 

mdshunk

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Many of the UC lights nowadays are coming with WAGO's preinstalled that have two extra holes for each conductor. It's certainly no fun with 2 cables, but possible. My choice, with regard to one cable per fixture or not, would be mostly dictated by the particular fixture. On top of the upper cabinets, or in a crawl space or basement are two other normal places to tail out of for UC lights. These are also pupular places for a LV UC light XFMR.
 

mdshunk

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celtic said:
I'm convinced....lower cabinets is the way to go :D
On a really tough kitchen remodel I once, begrudgingly, had to put an 8x8 junction box behind a removable aluminium backsplash plate that was installed behind the range. Even though it was legal, as it was accessible, I was ashamed to have done such a thing. I did, as a courtesy to someone in the future, write this information inside the panel cover.
 

iwire

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celtic said:
morning...figured he's on at least his third pot of coffee.... ;)


24 oz I am ready to go

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iwire

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Massachusetts
celtic said:
fred.jpg


Hi Bob...the usual?

I swear the manager at the one I go to has made an effort to look like 'Fred'. :D

When I was down to NJ a while ago I was glad to see it was still easy to find a Dunkin.

Heck there was one smack in the median of a highway. :cool:
 

celtic

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NJ
While searching for "Fred"...I saw "Mario"
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Think they are related?
:D



They been "building" a new Niknud Stunod's by me for about a year now....build a block wall, tear it down....build less of a block wall, put up some framing, tear down the walls.....
These guys need their coffee or they'll never get done LMAO.
 

stickboy1375

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Litchfield, CT
In the next town over from me they built a DD next to a main road, the town complained, (traffic issues) next thing you know they tore it down and rebuilt it a touch farther back from the road... How'd you like to do that twice?
 

iwire

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stickboy1375 said:
next thing you know they tore it down and rebuilt it a touch farther back from the road... How'd you like to do that twice?

I think if it is in the right location these places make a fortune, they can afford a simple rebuild of a the building.

Near me a large sewer construction project needed space to place equipment. As it was State run work they simply took over a DD knocked it to the ground used the space for a large crane. The work took four or five years (it was supposed to be under a year), the entire time the State had to pay the land lease and the lost business to the DD owner. Once the work was done they had to rebuild the business.

What a great deal for that owner, four or five years off and a brand new building with a freshly landscaped lot when you do come back.
 
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