underground cable locator

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I searched the forum, but thought I would ask...
My Progressive (Greenlee 508S) underground cable locator grew legs and I'm looking for something better.
I'm looking for something that is easy to use, accurate, and of course inexpensive >$1000.
What do you use? Do you like it? Would you buy it again?

I'm going to try the "witching" sticks at home on my own UG service. I know where it is so...

Thanks!
 
They make those little handle thingies with the antenna looking wire coming from a handle. I don't know where to get them but I have seen them. I think the witching deal works on fluid pipes only.
We have a few locators, they range from the small Cable Hound to the Subsite 950 Ditch Witch. Which one do I like best? For accuracy, the Subsite hands down.
 
equal distance

equal distance

I've seen bare copper used in and 8' hole/ditch, ID a pipe with 3' of earth
on top of that, they didn't beleive they had the pipe till they cracked it and flushed the toilet, all inside an office -joist and metal Deck. The rods worked down the run of pipe down the lenght of office space.
 
OH it works alright. Take a soda straw and a 18" piece of #10 solid bent 4" from the end at 90 deg. Put the 4" in the straw and walk what you think is perpindicular to the utility your are trying to locate.When you walk over the line it will turn parralel to it. When you pass it , it will keep moving in the straw and point behind you until you get a couple of feet away. I have seen this be more acurate than $3500 radio signal detectors that are connected directly to the utility.(exept for the depth ,of course)
 
The first time I saw it was when we hired a guy to do some under slab locating for us. We did not have a good locator at that time. He used an expensive instrumet to map out the underground conduits for us, but at the end he used his "sticks". I was kind of giving him..."what's up this?". He told me that the sticks have found things that his locator won't. He sells locators and also teachs a class on how to use them. As part of the class he talks about the sticks. At the end of the day, almost eveyone is convinced that the "sticks" work, but less than half can make them work. After the explaination he handed me the sticks and said walk slowly with your eyes closed and stop when you feel them move. He walked me around with my eyes closed so I would not know where his marks were and when I walked over one of the marks the sticks crossed. He made a believer out of me that day, and I have used them with some success since then. I can't make them work inside of a building as they cross anytime I walk under a structrual member. The also cross under overhead lines.
Don
 
I don't know of anyone who can explain how witching sticks work. I wonder if there has ever been any real scientific investigation.
Don
 
Are U kinding me

Are U kinding me

I don't know. but I equat it to physic's and color, where
an objects obsurbs that color, and does not broadcasts it.
what U see is an obsurtaion of that color.
So since (most) every attracts and repell's (creating randum
fields) and a consentrationof an amount makes is an attraction.
AKA (layman terms) ER best guess...
 
From: http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_168.html

Does dowsing for water really work?
25-Sep-1981


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Dear Cecil:

Cecil, my world view has been severely altered, and I need your help. While on a recent trip to the wilds of Arizona, I had the opportunity to witness--and indeed, participate in--a demonstration of "wishing," which is the location of underground water through a divining rod, or "wish stick." I had always thought this practice was an old wives' tale, but the natives use it routinely to determine where to dig their wells.

If a stick of wood is used, it bends toward the ground; if a coat-hanger wire or thin brass rods are used, one is held in each hand, and they cross over each other when water is found. The only explanation the local experts could provide is that moving water creates a magnetic field, but this doesn't account for its effect on wood. I swear on a stack of Straight Dopes that I speak not with forked tongue. Illuminate me, Cecil. --Cooper B., Chicago

Cecil replies:

Good Lord, dowsing? Next you're going to tell me you got a great deal on a time-share condo. This is about the oldest dodge in the books.

You don't describe what your "participation" consisted of, but let me guess: you watched some old geek with a divining rod (typically a forked stick held in a peculiar grip with both hands, but sometimes just an ordinary single stick) wander around the desert for a while with a look of concentration on his face.

By and by the stick began to quiver, and suddenly plunged sharply downward, whereupon he exclaimed something to the effect of, "Dig here, you'll find water." Then he said, "You try it, sonny, it'll work for you, too." And gosharoonie, he gave you the stick and showed you how to hold it and lo and behold, when you got to the spot where the stick had plunged down for the old coot, it did the same thing for you--just like some mysto force had grabbed onto it.

Naturally, since water in Arizona is typically found 175 to 200 feet below the surface, you didn't actually dig a well to test the accuracy of the rod, but assumed that since it worked for you, it must be legit.

Congratulations, sucker. You've fallen victim to the classic Skeptical Young Guppy Becomes True Believer syndrome, described in great detail in a study of dowsing (as wishing is sometimes called) published by two University of Chicago researchers in 1959. "Wishing," incidentally, is a corruption of "witching," as in "water witching," the most common American expression for dowsing, AKA rhabdomancy and divination.

Although divining has been around in various forms for millennia, the well-known forked stick method appears to have been devised in the mining districts of Germany (you can supposedly find minerals with a dowsing rod, too) in the late 15th or early 16th century. It was first formally described in an essay in 1556, and since then has been spread around the world by European colonists. In the past 400 years, more than a thousand essays, books, and pamphlets have been published on the subject.

Needless to say, dowsing is entirely a fraud, although often an unconscious one. Innumerable experiments, beginning in 1641--that's right, 1641--have demonstrated that:

(a) The presence of water has no discernible effect on a rod held above it, whether the rod is made of wood, metal, or anything else.

(b) The success rate for diviners is about the same as that for people who use the hit-and-miss method when looking for water.

(c) Geologists trained to recognize telltale surface clues (certain kinds of rocks and plants, various topographical features) will invariably far outdo dowsers in predicting where water will be found, and at what depth.

Nevertheless, belief in dowsing has persisted, partly because most people secretly want to believe in magic, partly because water is fairly easy to find in most parts of the inhabitable world, and partly because the plunging-stick phenomenon seems so convincing to untutored observers.

It's worth noting that in many parts of the eastern U.S. it is virtually impossible to dig a hole and not find water. Granted it's tougher in the west, but I lived in Tucson for a spell and they had gotten well-digging down to such a science that the success rate approached 100 percent. Even over complex hydrological formations, the success rate by the hit-and-miss method is often as high as 75 percent.

The plunging-stick phenomenon is caused by a well-documented psychological effect known as "ideomotor action," first described in the 1800s and clinically demonstrated in the 1930s. What happens is that conscious thought gives rise to involuntary, usually imperceptible muscle movements.

If I strapped you to a table in a lab and loaded you up with sensors and told you to just think about raising your arm--but not to actually do so--the sensors would probably detect some slight upward motion in that arm, which you'd be completely unconscious of. Ouija boards and several other seance-type tricks make use of this principle.

In forked-stick dowsing, the two ends of the stick are held in a rather uncomfortable grip in such a way that the stick is under considerable tension--coiled up like a spring, as it were. Any of four minor muscle movements will result in the stick taking a sudden lurch downward (you can try this in the backyard sometime).

An experienced dowser, who has often picked up a fair bit of practical geological knowledge, particularly if he has worked in the same geographical area for many years, often develops a good instinct for judging where water might be just by looking at the terrain. When he walks around doing his number with the stick his mind unconsciously transmits this knowledge to his arm muscles, with predictable results.

You, the young sap, don't know anything about geology, but you do know where the stick pointed the first time, and unconsciously you want to duplicate that feat. If either you or the dowser is blindfolded, though, you won't even get close to the spot twice.

Besides forked sticks you can use barbed wire, a fork and spoon, coat hangers, welding rods, even a bunch of keys hanging by a chain from a Bible. If you want more information on this ridiculous art, most libraries have lots of books on the subject--right next to the section on tarot cards.

--CECIL ADAMS
 
underground tracers

underground tracers

I personally dont believe in wishing sticks. I have quite a few tracers and they all work a little quirky. the yellow fiberglass type that the utulity trucks used to carry a progressive that looks like an egg on a string. 2 goldack units simple to use but quirky imho. 2 rd 400 ditchwitch units and one ditch witch 950r the most expensive by far it is very almost too sensitive and I usually keep the rd400 on the truck as my bread and butter tracer very simple to use and acurate you can pick up a used one on ebay for a few hundred dollars if you are patient. the amprobe 2005 is not necessarily an underground tracer and I have not used this one outside but having used this one almost weekly I can say for sure that this is by far the best tracer I have ever used and has payed itself off over and over again. they say it can be used for simple underground residential and it can trace romex and other cables about a dozen feet in a wall. A customer called me about 6 months ago and said they experienced a near fatal shock in thier shower newly installed. I went right over and found that the grab bar had become energized. I put the tracer on it and it went right to the problem I cut a small 2inch round hole in the kitchen on the oposite side of the grab bar. When the plumber installed the grab bar he used a long screw and it pierced the plastic box in the kitchen drove itself right into a non gfi 20 amp hot wire energizing the grab bar. when the customer grabed the diverter valve he almost was electrocuted he said he couldnt let go for some time. The tracer loceted the problem within an inch and I didnt have to wreck thier new kitchen to solve the problem. Priceless.
 
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