Underground main service feed

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New additon of the existing building was built on top of that building's existing underground main service feed. Questions:
1. Is this code violation?
2. This existing underground feeder has 3 hot wires and 1 ground/neutral feeding 208Y/120V, 3ph, 4W main service panel. Is it also code violation?

Thanks.
 
More information is needed.

Are the service conductors outside the structure as defined in 230.6?

Is there a main bonding jumper installed in the service disconnecting means as required in 250.24(B) and defined in 250.28?
 
Aside from the above question by georgestolz, I can't think of any violations. Now I'll go read up on services again. I love this forum.
 
Smart $ said:
Service conductors? ...or Service Entrance Conductors?

It makes a difference!
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How?

There are service conductors, feeders or branch circuits.

Do you have a forth option in mind?
 
iwire said:
How?

There are service conductors, feeders or branch circuits.

Do you have a forth option in mind?
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230.1 Scope: Figure 230.1 clearly depicts four areas to Services. BTW, Bracnch Circuits and Feeders only comprise one of the four areas.
 
Smart $ said:
230.1 Scope: Figure 230.1 clearly depicts four areas to Services. BTW, Bracnch Circuits and Feeders only comprise one of the four areas.
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Same old smart, can't answer a simple question.

You said

smart $ said:
Service conductors? ...or Service Entrance Conductors?

It makes a difference!
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Tell us how it makes a difference.:p
 
What would change the answer to the OP whether we are talking about "Service Conductors" or "Service Entrance Conductors" as far as the NEC is concerned?

If 230.6 is applicable the answer is the same.

So, what is the difference in this conversation?

Roger
 
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Bob, I won't be holding my breath waiting for an answer from smart.;)

Roger
 
roger said:
Bob, I won't be holding my breath waiting for an answer from smart.;)

Roger
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You're right, now that you said it!

All I'm doing here is trying to help others, and if I'm wrong I'll admit it and learn from the experience. If all you can add to the discussion is prodding and innuendo, I hope you aren't holding your breath :D
 
Smart, sometimes good things come from small prodding. :)

If you can think of a specific instance where it would make a difference, please share it.

If you didn't have one in mind, simply admit it.

If you were just trying to show the original poster there is a difference in the terms, then say so. There's no harm in that.
 
George, unfortunatly as is in smarts case, hot air is usually just that. ;)

smart, this is going to be the third thread I know of where you have been asked a question regarding a statement you have made and have refused to answer, is this your method for helping others? (I know, I know, that was another question :rolleyes:)

Roger
 
So this will infact be the third thread where you can not answer a question asked of you. Geez, I'm glad I'm not wanting you to "help" me. :D


Roger
 
OK. Since there has been no answer to the question, I'll restate the question, in (what I hope to be) clearer terms. Here's the original question:

Smart $ said:
Service conductors? ...or Service Entrance Conductors? It makes a difference!
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Here is my restatement:

Are the conductors that are being discussed (1) "Service Conductors" that are also classified as "Service Entrance Conductors," or are they (2) "Service Conductors" that are beyond the defined boundaries of the "Service Entrance Conductors"?
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Let me invite attention to Article 100. It defines two different kinds of "Service Entrance Conductors." One is in an overhead installation, and the other in an underground installation. But in both cases, the definition of "Service Entrance Conductors" begins with a statement that they are "Service Conductors."

In other words, "Service Conductors" is the broad overall category, and the two types of "Service Entrance Conductors" are each a subset of "Service Conductors." Therefore, the question of "Service conductors? ...or Service Entrance Conductors?" makes no sense. If a conductor is a "Service Entrance Conductor," then it is also a "Service Conductor."

Now that that is clarified, perhaps Smart $ can tell us why it might make a difference whether the conductors under discussion are within or beyond the defined boundaries of "Service Entrance Conductors."

ASIDE TO THE ORIGINAL POSTER: lnguyen12@yahoo.com

Since one member (Smart $) has informed us that he has sent you his reply via a private message, I would like to caution you against accepting any single person's opinion as representing the complete and accurate answer. The value in this type of Forum lies in the free exchange of information, facts, and opinions amongst its members. Since the rest of us did not see the response that Smart $ gave you, we cannot let you know whether we agree, and we cannot offer you any additional comments on that response.
 
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