Use of the NEC as related to boats, Plaines, and article 545

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Me and my friend (Who knows very little about the NEC) are having a discussion about the use of EMT o0r any other raceway for that matter. I say that if you use any type of wiring method whether it is emt, ent, rigid, imc ect. You have to follow the gfuidline laid out in the NEC for that type of raceway whether it is in a plane or boat or car, or commercial building. He is trying to tell me that because the NEC does not apply to planes or boats or cars that he does not have to follow those rules.Is it not true that even though the vehicle or manufactured building that I am using EMT for is not covered in the NEC I still have to follow the guidelines for the type of raceway I am using?
Who is the AHJ over cars, airplanes and boats?

For instance, someone who will remain nameless used EMT and spot welded it down a piece of iron and used a 4X4X24" 3r wireway which he cut down to 4X4X4 put the end cap on it and ran the emt into the box with no connector. I know this is a violation, but I cannot prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt. Can someone help me explaining this to him. Thank you.
 
If the items are not being used for NEC applications they do not have to follow NEC rules. Marine vessels are probably under the USCG and planes would be FAA.

Roger
 
blakrew said:
Me and my friend (Who knows very little about the NEC) are having a discussion about the use of EMT o0r any other raceway for that matter. I say that if you use any type of wiring method whether it is emt, ent, rigid, imc ect. You have to follow the gfuidline laid out in the NEC for that type of raceway whether it is in a plane or boat or car, or commercial building. He is trying to tell me that because the NEC does not apply to planes or boats or cars that he does not have to follow those rules.Is it not true that even though the vehicle or manufactured building that I am using EMT for is not covered in the NEC I still have to follow the guidelines for the type of raceway I am using?
Who is the AHJ over cars, airplanes and boats?

For instance, someone who will remain nameless used EMT and spot welded it down a piece of iron and used a 4X4X24" 3r wireway which he cut down to 4X4X4 put the end cap on it and ran the emt into the box with no connector. I know this is a violation, but I cannot prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt. Can someone help me explaining this to him. Thank you.
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I think your friend just might be right. The NEC is pretty speciic in what it will cover, but as far as "vehicles" (see article 100 and 551) and those other things are concerned, I don't see that they would be NEC applicable. The NFPA has standards per 1192 for lv systems in rvs, and I would think that aircraft wiring would be covered by the ewis regs laid out by the faa/ntsb, and automotive wiring would probably be covered by sae standards (?) ntsb, and probably all of them have a mixture from ansi thrown in, Idk.

Perhaps someone w/ a little more knowledge of this than myself would care to take the floor.
 
Hope you did not wager any money on this.

I agree with the others, the NEC does not apply to planes or ships regardless of using EMT or other electrical products on them.
 
Understandable but this is not a plane this is something that falls under Article 5 45 in the NEC. I'm trying to upload a picture of what he did exactly.

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Understandable but this is not a plane this is something that falls under Article 5 45 in the NEC. I'm trying to upload a picture of what he did exactly.

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If it's a 545 installation then it's an NEC application. Leave the boats and planes out of the conversation and explain what he is doing.

Roger
 
I don't really see how an individual is covered by Article 545 no matter what he is building.
Manufactured Building. Any building that is of closed construction and is made or assembled in manufacturing facilities on or off the building site for installation, or for assembly and installation on the building site, other than manufactured homes, mobile homes, park trailers, or recreational vehicles.
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Ok, forget the planes, trains and automobiles. This is on the side of a manufactured building inside of a container.I is portable and can be moved by its own trailer. These legs are operated individually by a 12 volt motor at each leg. Hence artical 545.
 

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This contraption is supplied by a 7000 Kw generated has a 1 TON A/C, receptacles gfci's and data jacks inside the unit. It also has a 100 amp main distribution panel inside the unit. It is completely self contained

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This contraption is supplied by a 7000 Kw generated has a 1 TON A/C, receptacles gfci's and data jacks inside the unit. It also has a 100 amp main distribution panel inside the unit. It is completely self contained

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I still don't see it as being covered by the NEC.
 
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