Useless "wall" and . . . receptacle?

[allenwayne]

Bob it isn`t a bedroom at all and it isn`t a misconception.You walk up a curved staircase that leads to a loft type area that leads to the bedrooms.To access the bedrooms you have to walk through this area there is no choice so if that doesn`t constitute a walk/hallway what does???.If the plans said loft I would have to agree thet 2,6,12 must be met but the floor plans ,the approved by the permitting dept.DON`T even have a listing for this area.So how can 2,6,12 be enforced :?

 

[allenwayne]

would someone please bang up a nail on box,and please hand me the drill,,,i'll be out of your way in about 2 minutes,,,

It isn`t as simple as a nail on and a cheap receptacle,I`m talking about 2 floor boxes with brass plates since the other floor box/plate (standard is brass).It`s just silly that one inspector wants it to conform to habitable area 2.6.12 and others say its a hall and that cheap nail on and recep is fine.

 

[charlie b]

You walk up a curved staircase that leads to a loft type area that leads to the bedrooms. To access the bedrooms you have to walk through this area there is no choice so if that doesn`t constitute a walk/hallway what does?

Based on this description, I would definitely call that a hallway. IMO the Inspector was wrong to treat it any other way.

But since you hijacked this thread from its originator, I think I'll try to hijack it from you. :wink:

Yes it's required and IMO the lead man should have brought this up before walls are closed.

Not to pick on you, Bob, but why it is required? Specifically, why would a railing require a receptacle? Everyone seems to believe that, for example, if a living room has a 6 foot railing dividing it into two areas, there must be a receptacle (probably in the floor) next to that railing. Why?

Please take a look at 210.52(A)(2)(3), and tell me what the word "afforded" means? I asked this once before in another thread, and nobody responded. "The space afforded by . . . railings." What the heck is "afforded by"? Look up the word "afforded" or just "afford," and you will see nothing that is even close to applying in this context. If the code said, "the space created by," or "the space established by," or "the space adjacent to," then it would have made sense. IMO the best way to word it would be "the space occupied by." But "afforded by"? :? :?:

If I build my own house, and if I put a railing in the LR , and if I don't put receptacles near the railing, and if the Inspector red tags it, I am going to say that 210.52(A)(2)(3) does not apply, because I cannot "afford" any more receptacles. :wink: 8) :lol:

 

[Ragin Cajun]

Wow! I didn't expect such a response!

No, it isn't "under construction," red tagged, etc.

I am working on the plans for a large apartment complex and noticed this what I considered "useless" area.

So, forget about saving resources, etc. put the stupid thing in the useless portion of wall and go on to other things.


Thanks for the interest.

 

[allenwayne]

Charlie you can Jack any thread you want and I do agree with you that the requirement in the AHJ`S opinion was well lets say less than wanted.
My whole point was that this silly judgement cost alot of $$$$ 2 floor boxes,2 brass plates,labor to install not to mention the set back on closing a home.All for something that nobody wants or will use.Nice place to plug in a vacum sure but what person will open a floor box plate to plug in the vacum when there are other wall receptacles to use.As far as it should have been caught on rough.Well if you roughed 100 of these models and the AHJ didn`t say this is living area why would you all of the sudden change and install a floor box.Lets take an actual hall that opens into an area lets say that is 10 X 10 is that also an area that will have to comply with 2/6 /12 rules,this inspector says yes but others in the SAME area say it`s a hall.so WTF :roll: