Using phase tape on 6awg & Smaller

[Copperclad]

Anyone know where I can find the rule in the NEC that states It is not allowed to use phase tape to identify conductors 6awg and smaller?

 

[Copperclad]

edit to say:
Actually my question is:
Why is "phasing" a grounded conductor 6awg and smaller not allowed?

 

[1793]

What you are looking for is Article 200.6.

Edit: I don't know but would like to as well.

 

[augie47]

grounded: 200.6
equipment grounding 250.119

those I recall.. write so many times..

 

[tom baker]

The CMP drew the line in the sand. But actually, smaller than 4 (there is a 5 awg) are the sizes you are likely to be changing over the life of a building.
This and 250.119 are the most violated rule in the NEC.
Find you rule at 200.6
What size do you think should be allowed to re-identified?
By the way, 6 and 4 white are available.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

The CMP drew the line in the sand. But actually, smaller than 4 (there is a 5 awg) are the sizes you are likely to be changing over the life of a building.
This and 250.119 are the most violated rule in the NEC.
Find you rule at 200.6
What size do you think should be allowed to re-identified?
By the way, 6 and 4 white are available.

I have seen #2 white but it does seem odd that reidentifying a certain size is legal while one size smaller is a violation. If it is effectively identified then I don't see the problem. Unfortunately the CMP does. :grin:

 

[chris kennedy]

Unfortunately the CMP does. :grin:

Ever notice who sits on CMP 5?

 

[John120/240]

It has been stated in a previous thread, that when the approaiate size & color conductor is avabiable you are encouraged to use it.

 

[Jim W in Tampa]

It is only about MONEY. Do you really think anyone works for FREE . Sell more wire or your fired

 

[pete m.]

Although I know it is a code violation (and I'm required to write it as a defect) I do not see a safety issue with re-identifying 6awg and smaller grounded and grounding conductors.

I suppose I just assumed that we actually have "Qualified Persons" working on the installation:roll:

Pete

 

[tom baker]

sometime try to reidentify a 12 AWG black with white tape.

 

[raider1]

Ever notice who sits on CMP 5?

I know a couple of people that sit on CMP 5.

Chris

 

[raider1]

sometime try to reidentify a 12 AWG black with white tape.

Agreed.

Chris

 

[LarryFine]

sometime try to reidentify a 12 AWG black with white tape.

Try to physically do it, or try to get away with it?

 

[K8MHZ]

Try to physically do it, or try to get away with it?

Why would it be any different, physically, than using black tape on white wire?

I do think that tape on larger conductors is more likely to remain intact for the duration than tape on smaller conductors.

Try using tape to re-mark 22 AWG conductors and you will see what I mean.

 

[iwire]

Try using tape to re-mark 22 AWG conductors and you will see what I mean.

Never tried remarking a 22 but paint, sharpie, colored shrink tube all come to mind. In reality I would probably just 'flag' it with colored tape but that is real ugly.

 

[chris kennedy]

I know a couple of people that sit on CMP 5.

Do you know Mr. Brender or Mr. Temblador? Never really noticed how they voted, just noticed they are there.

 

[raider1]

Do you know Mr. Brender or Mr. Temblador? Never really noticed how they voted, just noticed they are there.

Nope, I know Mrs. Porter, Mr. Mello, and Mr. Simmons.

Chris

 

[cowboyjwc]

One of the reasons, I would see for not doing it, is not everyone uses phasing tape for the right reasons.

Went to a friends house on Saturday to replace the breaker for their spa (I didn't remove it). Hooked the white taped wire to the neutral and the two blacks to the hot side and nothing. Checked and I was getting 220 between the white and one of the legs.

"oh that's not really the neutral we just taped it to remember where it went". Spa still didn't work when I left (found a blown fuse) hope I didn't burn anything else up.