VFD and 550v motor for pump

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I've been asked to run pipe and wire from a supplied by other VFD to a 20 HP pump motor. 94 amps of nameplate, Locked Rotor is 114 amps. Would I be correct that #2 cu is the conductor of choice? Absolutely no experience with VFD's.
 
I've been asked to run pipe and wire from a supplied by other VFD to a 20 HP pump motor. 94 amps of nameplate, Locked Rotor is 114 amps. Would I be correct that #2 cu is the conductor of choice? Absolutely no experience with VFD's.
Something doesn't add up with your figures. For a 20HP (15kW) motor I calculate rated current at full load to be around 20A depending on PF and efficiency. The LR current of 114A would seem to be reasonable. Typically around six times FLC.

Unless it is a very long cable run, you shouldn't need anything like #2AWG.
 
I've been asked to run pipe and wire from a supplied by other VFD to a 20 HP pump motor. 94 amps of nameplate, Locked Rotor is 114 amps. Would I be correct that #2 cu is the conductor of choice? Absolutely no experience with VFD's.

430.22 says #10. Correct?
 
Something doesn't add up with your figures. For a 20HP (15kW) motor I calculate rated current at full load to be around 20A depending on PF and efficiency. The LR current of 114A would seem to be reasonable. Typically around six times FLC.

Unless it is a very long cable run, you shouldn't need anything like #2AWG.

Perhaps the sheet provided was wrong. It did say 94 amps.

After further review I should have put on my glasses. Current Full load 18.8 amps. I was looking at efficiency numbers. ;(
 
I'm from UK and I don't have a copy of the NEC.
We'd most likely use 6mm^2 multicore XPLE which roughly equates to your AWG #10.

Is the project in Canada by any chance?

No sir, we below the gnat line with this one.
Jawga.
 
I've been asked to run pipe and wire from a supplied by other VFD to a 20 HP pump motor. 94 amps of nameplate, Locked Rotor is 114 amps. Would I be correct that #2 cu is the conductor of choice? Absolutely no experience with VFD's.

What type of wire are you going to use? Many vfd manufacturers require vfd cable.
 
It's in a textile plant.
Not Bonar by any chance? I supplied some drives for a textile machine seems like a century ago.

Anyway, the textile plant doesn't explain why 550V than the more ubiquitous 480V in that part of the world?
Not Important. I'm just curious about the choice of voltage.
 
Traditonally there were two main "pockets" of 600V use in the US, textile mills in the southeast and for a while, some Weyerhauser mills in the northwest, although most of those have been modernized now and use 480V. As I heard it, the textile industry (and Weyerhauser) moved from water power to electrification very early, so when they did, there were no distribution standards and they picked 600V because they could use smaller transformers and cables, the same reason Canada did. Plus they were often self contained in that they converted their water wheel systems to their own hydro power generation and often made their own machinery. In the 30s when the TVA, BPA and other large power development projects started bringing power to everyone else, they settled on 440V (which later became 480V) for industrial users because many machines made in the NE and Midwest were already using that. This left the early adopters as isolated pockets.

The old standard for 600V distribution was 550V utilization, now the utilization standard is 575V because Canada demanded that, and they are now the primary users of 600V in North America. So when you see a 550V motor, it's usually very old, as in pre-WWII.
 
Perhaps the sheet provided was wrong. It did say 94 amps.

After further review I should have put on my glasses. Current Full load 18.8 amps. I was looking at efficiency numbers. ;(
Back to our regularly scheduled program, my comment above is an important issue. If your motor says 550V, it was made before anyone who made VFDs was even a glint in his Father's eye. That means that unless someone rebuilt it to modern winding standards, the motor insulation will have a very hard time surviving the ravages of the PWM pulses that make a VFD work. So one thing that I HIGHLY recommend is that you install a "sine wave filter" on the output of the VFD going to the motor. Not just a load reactor, you need the full blown, and most expensive, version. Failure to do so will result in a surprisingly short motor life once the VFD is implemented. Another alternative is to just bite the bullet and replace that motor with a new 575V "inverter duty" motor now, save yourself the trouble of doing two startups.

As to wiring, the output from drive to motor is no different in terms of size; 125% of FLC from the NEC tables (use the 575V table). If you are using STEEL conduit, no sharing of that conduit with ANY other cables and you are religious about grounding it, you don't need VFD cable, but don't use THHN or any other thermoplastic insulation, use XLPE insulation, as found in RHH or XHHW. Anything outside of the above conditions, you MUST use shielded VFD cable, and in this case, ground the shields at BOTH ends.

The input wiring is nothing special, but there is a different rule for it in the NEC; 430.122 saying that the wire is sized at 125% of the VFD maximum input amps, not the motor amps. That's because people can use VFDs that are bigger than the motor, so the NEC addressed the possibility of someone "turning up the dial" because the drive CAN, then smoking the input wires. So bottom line, technically you need the data sheet on that drive to pick the wire size.

I recommend line reactors ahead of VFDs, it's cheap insurance because it helps to protect the drive from spikes and surges on the line side, most of which are caused by things out of you control.
 
Back to our regularly scheduled program, my comment above is an important issue. If your motor says 550V, it was made before anyone who made VFDs was even a glint in his Father's eye. That means that unless someone rebuilt it to modern winding standards, the motor insulation will have a very hard time surviving the ravages of the PWM pulses that make a VFD work. So one thing that I HIGHLY recommend is that you install a "sine wave filter" on the output of the VFD going to the motor. Not just a load reactor, you need the full blown, and most expensive, version. Failure to do so will result in a surprisingly short motor life once the VFD is implemented. Another alternative is to just bite the bullet and replace that motor with a new 575V "inverter duty" motor now, save yourself the trouble of doing two startups.

As to wiring, the output from drive to motor is no different in terms of size; 125% of FLC from the NEC tables (use the 575V table). If you are using STEEL conduit, no sharing of that conduit with ANY other cables and you are religious about grounding it, you don't need VFD cable, but don't use THHN or any other thermoplastic insulation, use XLPE insulation, as found in RHH or XHHW. Anything outside of the above conditions, you MUST use shielded VFD cable, and in this case, ground the shields at BOTH ends.

The input wiring is nothing special, but there is a different rule for it in the NEC; 430.122 saying that the wire is sized at 125% of the VFD maximum input amps, not the motor amps. That's because people can use VFDs that are bigger than the motor, so the NEC addressed the possibility of someone "turning up the dial" because the drive CAN, then smoking the input wires. So bottom line, technically you need the data sheet on that drive to pick the wire size.

I recommend line reactors ahead of VFDs, it's cheap insurance because it helps to protect the drive from spikes and surges on the line side, most of which are caused by things out of you control.

Thanks for the info. I've NO experience with VFD. I was asked to "run a conduit between a VFD and a pump motor, about 30 conduit feet". The spec sheet he supplied showed motor voltage at 575 at 18 amps full load.

I asked him what the conductor between the two was to be and he sent me file. I cannot find the info I need in the file for the feeder between the two. IF he doesn't supply something cut and dried, I ll walk away, got plenty of other work.
 
Not Bonar by any chance? I supplied some drives for a textile machine seems like a century ago.

Anyway, the textile plant doesn't explain why 550V than the more ubiquitous 480V in that part of the world?
Not Important. I'm just curious about the choice of voltage.

Thomaston, GA. The plant was built in the early 40's.
 
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