Voltage Cycling?

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rjaruse

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I'm a plant engineer in an industrial facility that is supplied with a 240V Corner Grounded Delta System. I was called out to a machine that had tripped an O/L on motor. I reset the trip then disconnected power to the machine to measure voltage on the supply side of the disconnect. When I measured the voltage, the voltage was cycling from 240V to 160V up and down consistently. I've never seen this before...at a loss...it went away for sometime but when I went back later to measure it was back...any suggestions?
 

jim dungar

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A single voltage reading is almost meaningless for troubleshooting.
What are these 6 voltages?
L1-L2
L2-L3
L3-L1
L1-G
L2-G
L3-G

Where did you measure the voltage, at the motor, the panel, or both?

I would not be surprised with fluctuating voltages on an ungrounded system, but you said yours is corner grounded. It almost sounds like an arcing fault.
 

rjaruse

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L1 to L2 - 240V
L1 to Grnd - cycling 240, 190, 160, 150, 240...etc.
L2 to Grnd - 0V

There is no L3....

Today, measures OK

L1 to L2 - 240V
L1 to Grnd - 240V
L2 to Grnd - 240V
 

jim dungar

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L1 to L2 - 240V
L1 to Grnd - cycling 240, 190, 160, 150, 240...etc.
L2 to Grnd - 0V

There is no L3....

Today, measures OK

L1 to L2 - 240V
L1 to Grnd - 240V
L2 to Grnd - 240V

Were your cycling measurements taken at the equipment? Were any loads in the facility affected by this cycling? How long did it last?

I assume you have three conductors run to your equipment. Did you measure from your grounded conductor (actually L3) and your grounding conductor? Because these are supposed to be bonded only at the service entrance, we would expect there to be some voltage between them at a piece of equipment.
 

mxslick

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Based on the measurements provided, I see two problems:

1: A lack of EGC integrity between his measurement point and the service;
2: An intermittent short to the EGC from L2...

A serious situation that needs to be corrected before someone gets killed.
 

rjaruse

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Saturday/Today I disconnected power that fed the panel that fed this machine and measured voltage on line side of disconnect which is within 5 ft. of main disconnect/meter for facility.

L1 - grnd = cycles at low voltage 0V - 50V
L2 - grnd = cycles at 240V to 160V
L3 - grnd = cycles at 240V to 190V

L1 - L2 = 240V steady
L1 - L3 = 240V steady
L2 - L3 = 240V steady

puzzled????

I'm assuming it's corner grounded delta because L1 has always been 0V to ground.......is it possible that I have ungrounded delta and L1 is grounding out?
 
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