Voltage Detector Verification

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NFPA 70E, 120.1(5) requires that voltage testers be verified before and after using them to test for voltage. Our electricians use their testers daily and feel that verifying each and every time would be a waste of time. Do electricians in your faility/company verify before and after each use?
 

zog

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You verify them before and after each test when verifing a system is denergized, commonly refered to as a live dead live test. All of our guys do it every time, and I would guess (Based on teaching at hundreds of companies) that most electricians consider this a common practice.

I find it scary that your electricians consider this a waste of time, maybe they dont understand the purpose.
 

charlie b

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I haven't been involved in this issue since I ran an electrical division on a nuclear powered aircraft carrier. This was not just a common practice, it was required and it was strictly enforced. I can tell of one instance in which it was not practiced, and that event nearly resulted in the death of a sailor. He was reaching to place a grounding clamp on what he thought was a de-energized 4160 volt bus. He had checked it with an electronic voltage tester that was not rated for that voltage. He failed to test the tester before and after checking the bus, and his test of the bus showed (incorrectly) that the bus was dead. He was blown back 15 feet.

The point of the pre- and post-test is to validate the test of the bus (or panel or whatever other thing you are about to touch with your hands). Suppose, for example, and this is absolutely no stretch of my imagination, that an electrician tests the tester before going out to the field, and one of the test leads comes loose while in transit, or the battery goes dead, or some other failure takes place. The thing that is important is for the electrician to be able to verify that the tester is working properly, before staking his or her life on the information that it gives, the information (trur or false information) that the bus is not energized.
 

cschmid

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I test my every time..It is my life I am saving if you dont I pray I am not the one calling home to tell them where you are..especially if your wife thinks you are at work and you are at girl friends house..:grin: :grin:
 

LarryFine

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Fred, tell the guys it's not that hard to drag the female end of an extension cord around with them.
 

tallguy

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charlie b said:
I haven't been involved in this issue since I ran an electrical division on a nuclear powered aircraft carrier. This was not just a common practice, it was required and it was strictly enforced. I can tell of one instance in which it was not practiced, and that event nearly resulted in the death of a sailor. He was reaching to place a grounding clamp on what he thought was a de-energized 4160 volt bus. He had checked it with an electronic voltage tester that was not rated for that voltage. He failed to test the tester before and after checking the bus, and his test of the bus showed (incorrectly) that the bus was dead. He was blown back 15 feet.
Great example...

Am I correct in interpreting this to be an example where it is important to test it after as well? IOW, it could be tested before -- fine. Checks the 4160, and nothing... but only because a fuse blew out (would it be conceivable for this to happen without hearing/seeing some evidence that the thing blew?). Only the after check would have revealed that something was amiss. To me, the after check is the one which is very easy to rationalize skipping...
 

don_resqcapt19

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tallguy,
The first test only tells you that the tester was working at that snapshot of time. It tells you nothing about its working at any future point in time. If you use a before and after test you can reasonably assume that the tester was working when you tested the equipment to be worked on. There are many modes of failure that will give you no indication.
Don
 

davidr43229

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Am I correct in interpreting this to be an example where it is important to test it after as well? IOW, it could be tested before
You have to do, what's called Verify -Read-Verify
1. You have to go to a verifiable source (voltage-wise) to insure the meter is working.
2. You then go to the circuit, which you want to verify as dead.
3. Then go back to that verifiable source to again, insure a properly working meter.
This is all part of the NFPA-79 Standards.
Just my $.02
Edited to spell Verifiable incorrectly....
 
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