MD84
Senior Member
- Location
- Stow, Ohio, USA
I was on a service call for a breaker tripping on a packing machine. The machine would work properly until the vacuum motor started and then the circuit breaker would trip.
This circuit originates in a 480v panel from a 3 pole 20A CB. It runs over to a 480V:240V delta-delta transformer. The transformer feeds a 3 pole 40A CB located on the machine.
When the vacuum motor comes on the 20A 480v CB trips. Before the vacuum comes on a delta connected resistive heating element runs for a few moments.
I checked voltage at the machine and it was not balanced. I had 240, 240, and 230. I checked line to ground and I had 140, 120, 140. I suspected the secondary was floating. I confirmed no SBJ. I bonded the center tap and checked voltage again. Line to ground was 114, 114, 212. I knew something was open or had a bad connection. I checked the primary windings and they checked out ok.
Next I checked the 480. I had 490, 480, 465. Line to ground were all around 275. I checked at the breaker and had the same. I checked the main lugs and had perfect balanced 480. I isolated to the B phase breaker connection.
Long story short the B phase breaker connection to the bus was not tight. There was pitting which likely formed over time and resulted in enough voltage drop to cause a problem.
I fixed the circuit breaker connection and all my voltages were correct and balanced. Secondary line to ground was 120 and 208 as expected. The machine ran properly at this point.
I knew that increased current was possible in this situation for a motor. But I do not completely understand why. I know that for the resistive loads the current will be less for a bad connection and lower voltage on one phase. My standard troubleshooting techniques and general understanding got me through this one fairly quickly. It leaves my asking why.
Why did a high resistance connection cause the breaker to trip when a motor was started?
This circuit originates in a 480v panel from a 3 pole 20A CB. It runs over to a 480V:240V delta-delta transformer. The transformer feeds a 3 pole 40A CB located on the machine.
When the vacuum motor comes on the 20A 480v CB trips. Before the vacuum comes on a delta connected resistive heating element runs for a few moments.
I checked voltage at the machine and it was not balanced. I had 240, 240, and 230. I checked line to ground and I had 140, 120, 140. I suspected the secondary was floating. I confirmed no SBJ. I bonded the center tap and checked voltage again. Line to ground was 114, 114, 212. I knew something was open or had a bad connection. I checked the primary windings and they checked out ok.
Next I checked the 480. I had 490, 480, 465. Line to ground were all around 275. I checked at the breaker and had the same. I checked the main lugs and had perfect balanced 480. I isolated to the B phase breaker connection.
Long story short the B phase breaker connection to the bus was not tight. There was pitting which likely formed over time and resulted in enough voltage drop to cause a problem.
I fixed the circuit breaker connection and all my voltages were correct and balanced. Secondary line to ground was 120 and 208 as expected. The machine ran properly at this point.
I knew that increased current was possible in this situation for a motor. But I do not completely understand why. I know that for the resistive loads the current will be less for a bad connection and lower voltage on one phase. My standard troubleshooting techniques and general understanding got me through this one fairly quickly. It leaves my asking why.
Why did a high resistance connection cause the breaker to trip when a motor was started?