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DooWop

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Location
Corrales NM
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Hvac contractor
Does the NEC allow wire connectors like Wago Lever Nuts? Also has Underwriters OK'd them?
I have situations where vibrations cause me to mistrust twist nuts and Wago's seem more solid.
 

LarryFine

Master Electrician Electric Contractor Richmond VA
Location
Henrico County, VA
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Electrical Contractor
Are the contacts flexible enough to maintain good contact pressure with vibration over time?
 

AC\DC

Senior Member
Location
Florence,Oregon,Lane
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EC
I love them-- but be very carful, I use wago 221- when your pushing them in the box be carful you don't accidentally have the lever hit a wire and pull It open- never though about that until I had it happen to me. Will never use these on Mulitwire neutral circuits- After I saw how easy it was for these to come lose I have switched back to wire nuts for curtain situations.
 

ramsy

Roger Ruhle dba NoFixNoPay
Location
LA basin, CA
Occupation
Service Electrician 2020 NEC
Will never use these on Mulitwire neutral circuits- After I saw how easy it was for these to come lose
The 222 series are much tighter, and require more force to lift.

MWBC neutrals are shoved up against the inside of the box, with the levers facing the box wall.
 

sparky1118

Senior Member
Location
Massachusetts
Occupation
Master Electrician
Does the NEC allow wire connectors like Wago Lever Nuts? Also has Underwriters OK'd them?
I have situations where vibrations cause me to mistrust twist nuts and Wago's seem more solid.

I hate those! I will never use them also


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garbo

Senior Member
Does the NEC allow wire connectors like Wago Lever Nuts? Also has Underwriters OK'd them?
I have situations where vibrations cause me to mistrust twist nuts and Wago's seem more solid.
Caution. The Wago 221 series are only rated for a maximum of 450 volts. Others rated for 600 volts but I'm old school and still prefer pressure connectors ( wire nuts ).Have used them when replacing a lot of garbage short life Bodine ballasts. Home Depot is almost as bad as Amazon in supplying pertinent information.
 

ramsy

Roger Ruhle dba NoFixNoPay
Location
LA basin, CA
Occupation
Service Electrician 2020 NEC
rated for a maximum of 450 volts.
With 2 test standards, 1 suitable for 600Vac @ 60min intervals, Lever-Nuts seem superior to most twist on's, inner tube, or tape.

WAGO's website shows all Lever-Nuts® with 2 listing standards:
IEC (EN 60xxx), Ambient, Series, UL (486C Non-Continuous)
450v, 32A, 105°c, 85°c, 221-41x, 600v, 20A, 75°C, 30°C, #24-12awg
450v, 41A, 105°c, 85°c, 221-61x, 600v, 30A, 75°C, 30°C, #20-10awg
450v, 32A, 85°c, +40°c, 222-41x, 600v, 20A, 75°C, 30°C, #28-12awg

UL's ZMVV product category for "Voltage Rating" allows both 300v Max @ 20 amps, 1000V for light fixtures --typically less amps--, and the UL 486C certificate on the same data sheet.

UL 486C §7.2 "Current Cycling" for 1hr on 1hr off x 500 cycles takes several months, and may be rigorous @ 600v, but its not a continuous-load test > 3 hrs.
 

PaulMmn

Senior Member
Location
Union, KY, USA
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EIT - Engineer in Training, Lafayette College
Does the NEC allow wire connectors like Wago Lever Nuts? Also has Underwriters OK'd them?
I have situations where vibrations cause me to mistrust twist nuts and Wago's seem more solid.
I have one under the hood of my truck. Squirrels or their friends nibbled on some wires. Only left short stubs to re-connect. I've been riding with a Wago on the circuit for the windshield washer sprayer for a couple of years, and it still works (knocking on wood). Wago is more or less hanging in mid-air holding onto the wires.
 

garbo

Senior Member
With 2 test standards, 1 suitable for 600Vac @ 60min intervals, Lever-Nuts seem superior to most twist on's, inner tube, or tape.

WAGO's website shows all Lever-Nuts® with 2 listing standards:
IEC (EN 60xxx), Ambient, Series, UL (486C Non-Continuous)
450v, 32A, 105°c, 85°c, 221-41x, 600v, 20A, 75°C, 30°C, #24-12awg
450v, 41A, 105°c, 85°c, 221-61x, 600v, 30A, 75°C, 30°C, #20-10awg
450v, 32A, 85°c, +40°c, 222-41x, 600v, 20A, 75°C, 30°C, #28-12awg

UL's ZMVV product category for "Voltage Rating" allows both 300v Max @ 20 amps, 1000V for light fixtures --typically less amps--, and the UL 486C certificate on the same data sheet.

UL 486C §7.2 "Current Cycling" for 1hr on 1hr off x 500 cycles takes several months, and may be rigorous @ 600v, but its not a continuous-load test > 3 hrs.
I never like the too generous IEC ratings on contactors. Rather use the UL rating that appears to be always lower. If you go with the lower ampere ratings from UL contactors & starters will run cooler & last longer. I bet that most cheap fellow electricians will not use WAGO'S because they cost a lot more. I'm old school and still prefer pressure connectors ( ya wire nuts ) . I have at least 5 boxes of wire nuts in my garage from three different companies that some say pre twisting is not necessary but others suggest that you pretwist . I always strip insulation around 7/8" then pre twist with heavy side cutters, trim the ends even, hand tighten the wire nut then use heavy side cutters to tighten wire nut and at least halve a turn of insulation then wrap it with quality electrical tape. Have went back to Motors that I installed twenty years later and every wire nut was in great shape. I bet this method is superior to wagos especially in higher temperature locations &/wires running at full capacity . With 5/8 to 3/4" of twisted copper conductors sure that connection has a lower resistance then the small contact area that wagos provide.
 

ramsy

Roger Ruhle dba NoFixNoPay
Location
LA basin, CA
Occupation
Service Electrician 2020 NEC
fellow electricians will not use WAGO'S because they cost a lot more.
Nothing wrong with using traditional tools that work for the job.

The problem is more suppliers sourcing unlisted, and untested counterfeits from discount supply chains.

When boxes are opened, cheep wire nuts with no markings are becoming the weakest link in the chain.

The only way cheep twist ons out last devices anymore is when suspended in free air, not in contact with metallic parts.

Getting listing certificates from on line suppliers of Wego LeverNuts is also becoming a problem, since many suppliers sell unlisted versions & countrrfiets.
 
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NoahsArc

Senior Member
Location
Illinois
Occupation
Residential EC
I like wagos for any splice of larger solid to smaller stranded. Otherwise nuts.
For lighting in a box with say a 3way splice, I'll add a pigtail and then wago the fixture wire onto that.

For high vibration I guess a wago (with super safety tape wrap) is not terrible, but I've put plenty of wirenuts in peckerheads and not lost sleep over it ever.
 

garbo

Senior Member
Nothing wrong with using traditional tools that work for the job.

The problem is more suppliers sourcing unlisted, and untested counterfeits from discount supply chains.

When boxes are opened, cheep wire nuts with no markings are becoming the weakest link in the chain.

The only way cheep twist ons out last devices anymore is when suspended in free air, not in contact with metallic parts.

Getting listing certificates from on line suppliers of Wego LeverNuts is also becoming a problem, since many suppliers sell unlisted versions & countrrfiets.
I never use the cheap wire nuts that come with luminares. Most do not have a spiral metal spring. My brother in law was a salesman for a large refrigeration/air conditioning supply house that had over a dozen stores. They had a young guy whose main job was to bag small amounts of wire nuts, ty rabs, hardware, fuses, plumbing fitting FS etc into little bags. They were high priced but the lowest quantity material that they made a ton of money from. Saw some of the Wago knockoffs on the web. Scary .First company that I worked for got feed up with so many poor performing products that only purchased name brands such as T&B, Hubbell, Shawmut fuses, etc. Learned to only order flat washers by the pound from industrial hardware supply houses because they were always beefy and not like the paper thin garbage from cheating china.
 
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