Was jumpering neutral to ground ever allowed in the NEC?

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I found potential between hot and ground in a circuit that I observed the ground conductor cut off from the cloth NM (old) cable at the modern main breaker box. I investigated a bit and found this:

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I suspect it is from the 50s or 60s; the house is from the 20's though...

So my question of general interest is was this ever allowed?

Its easy enough to remediate by correctly connecting the ground conductor at the panel and in the few places it serves. So it's mainly a curiosity...

thanks!
 
If there actually is a properly grounded wire in the NM, even though it has been cut off, I do not think any version of the code allowed you to just cut it off and ignore it. And no version of the code that I know of ever allowed you to deliberately use the neutral as the ground connection for exposed metal (except in some range or dryer circuits.)
 
Thanks. So this was illegal and against the code from the start then... I suspect that this conductor was installed back when the home still had a fuse box, and was in the era of two prong outlets and ungrounded distribution.

This one is simple to remediate (I found another similar one on a different circuit where the neutral-ground bonding is somewhere in a branch off of one the outlets which is dedicated to lighting, and it's not going to be easy), and so I will fix this one. I'll probably just pull new nm-b to the panel, though the actual grounding conductor in the connecting wiring is likely from the era where it was undersized...

Thanks!
 
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You might find that it is the neutral that was lost and someone did this to get the circuit back going so be careful as if you take the ground off you might end up with an open neutral and get bit.

Just another perspective that I have found over the years.
 
Well, at some point in time you had multiple forms of wiring and distribution in play. At some point in time, knob and tube, fuse boxes, nm with reduced size ground, etc all existed. Obviously there was a reason why 50 years ago an electrician cut the ground conductor at the panel. Why? Beats me, but I suspect that it was due to a lack of need/ability to ground the distribution system 50 years ago. More recently perhaps that scheme was used as a "feel good" (though incorrect) approach.
 
When ive seen this a netral haf been lost. From a broken device/connection to device.. In the beginning for me they didnt require grounds to devices. I was show dont be the ground and u won't get shocked. Life was good then grounding came along and im gettin shocked . My statement that day was what a dumb a-- idea . Make everything around me and what I gotta work on a ground. Ill sure electrocute myself by accident..I think my early years were the same as why cut off the ground at the panel. My view was make ur splices legit and the box wont be energized before make everything metal capable of closing a circuit
 
Would you agree that a neutral is a load, current, carrying conductor where a grounding conductor is not nor intended to be. The simple idea that an EGC is capable of carryng load current is a misnomer as that was never its intent.
In addition if you turn current that is intended to be carried by the neutral conductor loose on an EGC every device that is attached to the EGC systems will be exposed to neutral current which may end up to be and unintended shock hazard for those devices.
 
When ive seen this a netral haf been lost. From a broken device/connection to device.. In the beginning for me they didnt require grounds to devices. I was show dont be the ground and u won't get shocked. Life was good then grounding came along and im gettin shocked . My statement that day was what a dumb a-- idea . Make everything around me and what I gotta work on a ground. Ill sure electrocute myself by accident..I think my early years were the same as why cut off the ground at the panel. My view was make ur splices legit and the box wont be energized before make everything metal capable of closing a circuit

I think you have a misunderstanding of why we use grounding conductors (EGC's)

Back in the day before we provided an EGC we had people getting shocked and in some cases killed because a short would happen in a appliance or tool that would cause the metal chassis or metal case of the equipment to become hot, without a low impedance path back to source the OCPD would not open and you wouldn't know anything was wrong until you touched something else that was at earth potential or the potential of the transformers neutral, in kitchens this was the water pipes or kitchen sink, in the case of tools this could be outdoors or in a garage or basement where you have concrete floors or the earth it's self, since we have always had a reference to earth from the transformers secondaries neutral this provided a return path through earth and the shock hazard was always there, sometime around the 40's they figured that if we provided a low impedance path back to the neutral at the service panel it would at least open the branch circuits OCPD thus eliminating the shock hazard so by the late 50's or early 60's we were required to install EGC's and 3-wire receptacles, it took a bit longer for the manufactures to catch up with this thinking so we still had allot of appliances with only two wire cords, in the late 60's GFCI's were developed to over come this short fall and by the middle 70's they started requiring GFCI's in baths and outdoors, the two main places of most in the home electrocutions, eventually the requirement was added to many other areas such as kitchens, garages, and basements.

Also it was known that using the current carrying branch circuit neutral as a fault path introduced a even more dangerous hazard this is why the EGC had to originate in the panel where the main bonding jumper was located to prevent a shock hazard on voltage drops or loss neutrals so this is why it has always been required to keep the grounds and neutrals as separate conductors as you do not want a grounding path to be part of a normal current carrying path, this was very evident around washing machines and electric dryers that used the neutral to ground the frame of the dryer, and someone touched the dryer and washer with their bare skin they could feel the neutral current of the dryer motor causing a voltage drop in this neutral, most thought it was the washer that had a bad ground and would connect a wire from it to the water pipe and wonder why it didn't fix the problem, the same thing happened in the kitchen on electric ranges and sinks or another grounded appliance, since most of the top burners on electric ranges used the neutral for 120 volt operation the voltage drop in the neutral would cause a difference of potential to something grounded that didn't have a voltage drop, it wouldn't be a big shock but on bare damp skin such as when washing the dishes it would be easily felt, most would blame the other grounded appliances not thinking that the voltage drop on a neutral causes the voltage to rise above the transformer neutrals reference, if a neutral that is used for grounding was to open you can have the full 120 volts applied to the grounded parts of the appliance, this was even more of a hazard since now you have all the metal of this appliance sitting there at 120 volts to earth waiting for someone to make a path to earth or another appliance that is grounded to the neutral back at the panel, this is why the neutral should never be used to ground anything after the main service bonding jumper which is made at or before the main service disconnect.
 
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I think I dont say what I might be thinking as well as I could. I do unders stand ground and its purpose.. if you bond a neutral and ground the load on them will divide equally. ( a parallel oath) and how everything bonded by ground can backfeed depending on where the corrupt neutral is. Grounds are the non current carrying path back to neutral to activate the ocp. Mixing them upstream may also cause the ocp to trip acuratelly if there parallels. Thank you for taking the time so I that I can know more through your post my post should have said remember when devices wernt grounded. I never got shocked then we grounded them and every thing shocks me....my 1 or 2 nd yr. When I wasnt being shocked I think I didnt realize there was still v present. .sometimes I test a hot to something grounded. Like the cw by a plug. Look at them and ssy WHOA,,,,,, 125 V To the pipe. You good voltage.
 
Here is a case where the neutral was used for grounding that caused a elderly friend of mine to go into a coma for 4 months, she did regain conscience but was never the same and died a year later.

She lived in a trailer at a local trailer park, the state came through and made the park upgrade their electrical system and what they were supposed to do was to install a 4-wire system to the trailer from the service pedestal/meter bank, the park owned some parks in lower southwest Michigan so they use their electrician from one of these parks to do this upgrade.

What they did was beyond comprehension, originally the trailer had a 4-wire system but the EGC was a bare copper #8, they disconnected this bare #8 and installed a ground rod at the trailer and one at the meter pack, they re-bonded the neutral to the panel ground bar inside of the trailer thus using the neutral as the EGC between the service meter pack and the trailer, the wiring was old and when her hot water heaters heating element went to ground it blew open the aluminum neutral connection at the neutral bar in the service disconnect at the meter, this in turn put everything grounded at the trailer at the potential of the hot feeding the water heater (120v) when she came home it was raining and standing on the metal steps and landing when she went to grab the door handle she couldn't let go until she passed out and fell back down the stairs, there was standing water under the stairs and she had stepped in a puddle just before she went up the stairs so her shoes were also soaked, the neighbor called 911 and then myself as she didn't have any family so I kind of looked after her, one of the EMT's who responded also grabbed the door handle and was shocked, I had just got there so I turned off the main breaker at the meter pack, after going to the hospital and everything I went back to find out what had happened and the above was what I had found, from there I contacted the state AHJ who was a friend of mine and he fired the state HUD inspector who allowed the electrician to do this, he also wrote the state of Michigan with a the info on what he did, never found out what became of it, our state gave the park 1 week to correct all the trailers electrical miss-wiring and other parks that was inspected by this inspector was reinspected.

A second issue of using the neutral as a EGC was on a freezer in a garage, no injury's but it could have been worse:

I was called out on a complaint of the home owner getting shocked on a new freezer that had been put in a garage on an old house, there were no receptacles in this attached garage so the elderly home owner had a handyman install a couple, he ran NM back into the crawlspace to a junction box up on the floor joist under the living room, the wiring was old NM cloth covered as well as the individual conductors were also cloth covered as typically seen in 1940ish houses, there were no equipment grounding conductors, I had plugged in my 3-lamp plug tester and it showed a correctly wired receptacle with a good ground, but when I used an extension cord to a temp receptacle wire into the panel as a known good reference point, I found that the neutral and ground was hot and the hot was ground/neutral, I crawled into the crawl space and found the JB he had wired the new receptacles to, I found that the old cloth insulation was so bad you could not tell any longer which one was neutral or hot, he had boot legged the neutral and EGC together to the hot conductor and the black was connected to what he thought was hot but it was in fact the neutral, this mistake put the EGC and the case of the freezer at 120 volts to earth and when the homeowner walked out bare footed and grabbed the handle she was shocked, being that she was in her late 70's it could have turned out very badly for her, but luckily she must of not had a very good contact between her feet and the concrete floor and the floor was very dry, I ended up running a whole new circuit to the breaker panel in the utility room just off the garage.

So in this second case we find that a 3-light tester will not detect a fault when the hot is used as a neutral and ground and the neutral was landed on the hot, the correct two lights still lit up that said it was wired correctly as they have no way of sensing the reversed polarity, all they can sense is if there is a potential between the hot and neutral and hot and ground which there would be if the ground and neutral was hot and the hot was neutral, also bootlegging a ground to neutral at the receptacle will also show this and a 3-light tester would not show it, but have the neutral open up or a bad connection and now the appliance will have a potential to earth or in this case the concrete floor and a person could be killed, especially a young child or an elderly person.

If the above ever happened and caused a person to be killed a good lawyer would have a field day in court, and even a prosecutor could bring criminal charges against someone who had done this, a very good reason to fix these when ever encountered.
 
I think I dont say what I might be thinking as well as I could. I do unders stand ground and its purpose.. if you bond a neutral and ground the load on them will divide equally. ( a parallel oath) and how everything bonded by ground can backfeed depending on where the corrupt neutral is. Grounds are the non current carrying path back to neutral to activate the ocp. Mixing them upstream may also cause the ocp to trip acuratelly if there parallels. Thank you for taking the time so I that I can know more through your post my post should have said remember when devices wernt grounded. I never got shocked then we grounded them and every thing shocks me....my 1 or 2 nd yr. When I wasnt being shocked I think I didnt realize there was still v present. .sometimes I test a hot to something grounded. Like the cw by a plug. Look at them and ssy WHOA,,,,,, 125 V To the pipe. You good voltage.

Ok I just misunderstood your post as I thought you were thinking that it was more dangerous because of the EGC's, while its true because of everything being grounded we now have more return paths that we can make contact with, but we should always be treating everything as a grounded path and we should not be working on things if they are hot, the biggest danger is that because we ground our electrical system to earth for lightning and voltage of higher sources and even static build up, the earth is and always was a return path for a shock hazard where we have a grounded electrical system (secondaries at the transformer), static build up can be a very big problem if it can't be bled off as this was a problem with telegraph lines until they started to use the earth as a return wire, telegraph operators were getting subject to shocks of thousands of volts but very little current, but still can kill if enough build up happens, it can even spark a fire if the right conditions are available but static build up is minimal to non existent on the secondary side of the service transformer.

My personal beliefs are that having everything grounded on the primary side of the electrical system but leave everything on the secondary side ungrounded would give us a much more safer system, but we would have to have a warning system to let us know when a fault was to happen other wise we would not know that a circuit went to ground and we now have a grounded system in an uncontrolled way, if one of the hots was grounded you would now have 240 volts to ground from the other hot, and this would raise the potential of the shock hazard, a warning system would give us time to get it repaired without loosing power, but that could be the problem as with home owners who might not have the cash to get it fixed right away may chose to leave it not realizing that he how has a higher level of a shock hazard at 240 volts, static build up would not be a problem in the short runs of wire on the secondary side of the service transformer, a big problem is since the HV side of the system is grounded a fault to the secondary side would not open a OCPD and cause cause a fire hazard, this is why the NEC as well as the NTSC both require that the neutral of the two systems to be bonded together and doing this has now just given the secondary side a reference to earth, so now you must provide an EGC so that a breaker will open when a fault happens, so its very hard to find a balance between safety and making a system more safe and redundant, in industrial we do use a ungrounded system when a fault and loosing power can be more dangerous, but with these systems no current carrying conductors on the secondary side of the service transformer can not have an earth reference, once you reference it to earth you have to provide a low impedance path back to source to cause an OCPD to open to make it safe, it is also only done on delta systems even though you could have a WYE system ungrounded but 250.20(B)(2) would not allow it if the neutral is also used as a circuit conductor even a 4-wire delta (high leg delta) is not permitted ungrounded because of 250(B)(3) unless there are other section of the code that allows them to be ungrounded.
 
Ive only been on this site a couple of days and id have to say its a nice change. Like you there are many knowledgeable people here who just let us know how right is without beating us down . Ty sir
 
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