Washington to delay adoption of 230.62 (c)

[tom baker]

From the Washington July Currents (electrical newsletter
Further Delay for 2020 NEC 230.71(B)(4) Requirements - Metering Centers and Power Outlets For metering centers having two to six service disconnects in the same enclosure, we are officially delaying enforcement of NEC 230.71(B)(4) until July 1, 2022. Because of this, the exception to 2017 NEC 408.3(A)(2) supersedes 2020 NEC 230.62(C) until that date. This delay extends one announced in this newsletter in November 2020, allowing metering center manufacturers additional time to make products that do not have more than one service disconnect in an enclosure.When permits are purchased after June 30, 2022, metering center service disconnects must be in separate compartments and comply with NEC 230.71(B)(4) and 2020 NEC 230.62(C).For power outlets certified to UL 231, an indefinite delay applies to enforcement of 2020 NEC 230.71(B)(4) requirements. Because of this, the exception to 2017 NEC 408.3(A)(2) supersedes 2020 NEC 230.62(C). Some of the common uses of power outlets are service equipment for recreational vehicles and temporary power on construction sites.

If NFPA would listen, I would suggest that the appropriate CMPs coordinate changes with UL, especially for GFCI requirements. I suspect that there are some with more connections to me that have conveyed this to NFPA.

 

[romex jockey]

Is this due to manufacturing shortages Tom?

~RJ~

 

[tom baker]

They didn't say but I have heard electricians are not able find the outside main disconnects. What about your area, are you able to get product?

 

[electrofelon]

I suspect it is just because there are no products available that meet the new NEC requirements.

Although it is good Washington is delaying that implementation, this whole thing annoys me on so many levels. First, IMO, the design of meter centers is none of the NFPA's business. Secondly, can't these people talk to each other instead of the NFPA requiring things that then don't exist because they haven't talked to anybody?

 

[mbrooke]

I support this. IMO code should concentrate on the basics, nothing more. IMHO.

 

[electrofelon]

I support this. IMO code should concentrate on the basics, nothing more. IMHO.

IMO the NFPA shouldnt be involved in the equipment design business....nor the brother in law proofing business.

 

[don_resqcapt19]

The bigger issue with meter centers is the requirement in 230.71(B) in the 2020 code. There is no equipment on the market or being designed to comply with the 2020 code.

That will be addressed in the 2023 code by a rule that requires all meter centers in a single enclosure to have a line side disconnect.

 

[don_resqcapt19]

IMO the NFPA shouldnt be involved in the equipment design business....nor the brother in law proofing business.

There is always overlap between the product standard requirements and the NEC requirements. Sometimes the product standard changes drive code changes and other times the code changes drive the product standard changes.

 

[electrofelon]

That will be addressed in the 2023 code by a rule that requires all meter centers in a single enclosure to have a line side disconnect.

Wont that require POCO's to allow cold sequence metering ? Are they going to play ball?

 

[romex jockey]

They didn't say but I have heard electricians are not able find the outside main disconnects. What about your area, are you able to get product?

No, in fact i've never seen the 'market' so screwed up as it is now Tom

Something i had to cob together, because i couldn't get it all in one piece>>>

https://imgur.com/EPGOXnI

Then had to get poco & ahj blessings , which they are doing only because it's happening a lot

~RJ~

 

[mbrooke]

No, in fact i've never seen the 'market' so screwed up as it is now Tom

Something i had to cob together, because i couldn't get it all in one piece>>>

https://imgur.com/EPGOXnI

Then had to get poco & ahj blessings , which they are doing only because it's happening a lot

~RJ~

Bit off topic, but I like the grounding and bonding physics going on inside there

 

[don_resqcapt19]

Wont that require POCO's to allow cold sequence metering ? Are they going to play ball?

It is already a common practice where there are more than 6 meters in a meter center.

 

[electrofelon]

It is already a common practice where there are more than 6 meters in a meter center.

Right but not when 6 or less

 

[don_resqcapt19]

Right but not when 6 or less

Either way, there is a disconnect on the line side of the power company cash registers. I don't see any issue with doing it for a meter center with 6 or less meters.

 

[electrofelon]

Either way, there is a disconnect on the line side of the power company cash registers. I don't see any issue with doing it for a meter center with 6 or less meters.

Currently the power companies here do not allow that.