Water Main- Direction of wire into clamp and panel

[Bogiedown170]

Hi, recently ran a water main ground 4gauge and was told that I needed to come in on the line side then jump over to load and straight to panel. I actually did the opposite. I came from the panel to the load side and jumped to line side. I’m in westchester, NY. I couldn’t find in NEC 2020. This could be a POCO (ConEd) thing? Any NEC reference or feedback greatly appreciated. Thanks.

 

[tom baker]

Hmm, I see the concern about hiting the inlet first, then outlet. If the water pipe is a qualified GE, then if the isolation valve was shut to change the meter, your GE connection would be lost, the way you are bonded.
No code book here, I will check code language later.

 

[texie]

Hi, recently ran a water main ground 4gauge and was told that I needed to come in on the line side then jump over to load and straight to panel. I actually did the opposite. I came from the panel to the load side and jumped to line side. I’m in westchester, NY. I couldn’t find in NEC 2020. This could be a POCO (ConEd) thing? Any NEC reference or feedback greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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Absolute nonsense. Where do people come up with this stuff. It's compliant the way you have it. Tell 'em to pound sand.

 

[infinity]

Absolute nonsense. Where do people come up with this stuff. It's compliant the way you have it. Tell 'em to pound sand.

I agree. The NEC says connection within 5' of the entrance of the pipe and that the meter requires a jumper. You have complied with both. Ask for a code reference.

 

[JGinIndy]

Absolute nonsense. Where do people come up with this stuff. It's compliant the way you have it. Tell 'em to pound sand.

That is hilarious. Every time I hear that saying I picture some dude on the beach down on his knees screaming, yelling and beating the sand with his fist. Sorry it just cracks me up.

 

[LarryFine]

Agreed. There's nothing that says the conductor must land on the qualifying electrode first, just unbroken.

 

[curt swartz]

Hmm, I see the concern about hiting the inlet first, then outlet. If the water pipe is a qualified GE, then if the isolation valve was shut to change the meter, your GE connection would be lost, the way you are bonded.
No code book here, I will check code language later.

But the OP appears to have a continuious GEC wire run hitting clamps on both sides of the meter. Would not make a difference which clamp gets hit first or if the meter get removed since both side will still be bonded.

 

[LarryFine]

That is hilarious. Every time I hear that saying I picture some dude on the beach down on his knees screaming, yelling and beating the sand with his fist. Sorry it just cracks me up.

A big baby having a tantrum.

I think it refers to the 98lb weakling from the old Charles Atlas ads, walking away on the beach with his head down.

 

[Bogiedown170]

Thank you for your replies. I found it strange myself when told about it. I will look at POCO and see what I find there. Thanks, again

 

[JGinIndy]

A big baby having a tantrum.

I think it refers to the 98lb weakling from the old Charles Atlas ads, walking away on the beach with his head down.

Wow. I remember those ads, seems so long ago.

 

[infinity]

But the OP appears to have a continuious GEC wire run hitting clamps on both sides of the meter. Would not make a difference which clamp gets hit first or if the meter get removed since both side will still be bonded.

It doesn't matter which side it hits first. In fact it's not even required to be unbroken. You could use a bonding jumper around the meter and still land the GEC within 5' of the entry into the building.

 

[Bogiedown170]

Hi I found something in POCO (Con Ed).
“Where available, active electrically continuous metallic underground water piping shall be used as a ground and connected within the first 5-feet of the water service point of entry, regardless of the location of the water main valve”. So does this mean that I can start over on the load side providing I’m under 5 feet than jump over back to line side? Thanks

 

[curt swartz]

It doesn't matter which side it hits first. In fact it's not even required to be unbroken. You could use a bonding jumper around the meter and still land the GEC within 5' of the entry into the building.

Yes, I was responding to Tom when he said he could see the inspectors point about hitting the "line" side first.

 

[hbiss]

First, don't know what's with the NYC and Westchester instructions talking about two different things, but the way you have it is certainly compliant with what they say to me. Nothing says that you have to hit the service line first then jump the meter. I'm in Westchester too and do it whichever way works better for me.

-Hal

 

[infinity]

As reiterated many times in this thread there is no NEC requirement to install it differently than as shown in the photo that's provided in the OP.

It's amazing that the people who wrote this cannot even use the correct terminology.

 

[texie]

It doesn't matter which side it hits first. In fact it's not even required to be unbroken. You could use a bonding jumper around the meter and still land the GEC within 5' of the entry into the building.

 

[hbiss]

It's amazing that the people who wrote this cannot even use the correct terminology.

I'll be the first to admit that this is NY after all. If you think that's bad, try talking to them on the phone.

-Hal

 

[drcampbell]

Hi, recently ... was told that I needed to come in on the line side then jump over to load and straight to panel. ...

I don't suppose it would help to mention that copper wire conducts electricity in both directions?

 

[Bogiedown170]

Thank you again for the clarification