Water room hemo dialysis clinic

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Attached is water room in hemo dialysis clinic. The room contains receptacles. It is indoor in clinic. I was wondering if anywhere in NEC 2014 would this be considered wet location? Do I need GFCI receptacle or other nema rating for disconnect in this room?
 

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codequestion said:
Attached is water room in hemo dialysis clinic. The room contains receptacles. It is indoor in clinic. I was wondering if anywhere in NEC 2014 would this be considered wet location? Do I need GFCI receptacle or other nema rating for disconnect in this room?
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Its also called water softner room in place of water room hemo dialysis clinic.

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codequestion said:
This room is not patient care room. It has dialysis water softner equipments to filer but hemodialysis chairs are located outside in another room.

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Or there is no procedure performed in room. I am guessing hemodialysis equipment being oresent is not same as hemodialysis procedure.

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In any case the design is calling for NEMA 3R disconnects so that in itself says it is a wet area.

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I'm guessing "codequestion" is doing the drawings, and he is the one that labeled the disconnects "NEMA 3R".

I'd say its not any different than most other locations that include a water softener. Most of the time, the room should be dry, but if a fitting springs a leak, there might be some water that could get in the disconnects.

So I'd say NEMA 3R isn't required, but as a designer, I would probably spec NEMA 3R or even NEMA 12 just in case there is a leak. It probably wouldn't add that much cost.

As far as GFCI, again I'd say probably not required, but I would spec them as GFCI unless having one trip is a major concern for providing patient care.

It may be overkill, but I tend to spec GFCI anywhere I think it might make sense, unless loss of power is a concern.
 
steve66 said:
I'm guessing "codequestion" is doing the drawings, and he is the one that labeled the disconnects "NEMA 3R".

I'd say its not any different than most other locations that include a water softener. Most of the time, the room should be dry, but if a fitting springs a leak, there might be some water that could get in the disconnects.

So I'd say NEMA 3R isn't required, but as a designer, I would probably spec NEMA 3R or even NEMA 12 just in case there is a leak. It probably wouldn't add that much cost.

As far as GFCI, again I'd say probably not required, but I would spec them as GFCI unless having one trip is a major concern for providing patient care.

It may be overkill, but I tend to spec GFCI anywhere I think it might make sense, unless loss of power is a concern.
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Where in NEC it says water room or water softner is wet location or requires gfci?

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codequestion said:
Where in NEC it says water room or water softner is wet location or requires gfci?

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It does not say that room is a wet location. The NEC is not a design manual, and even if it was, there is no way they could provide an all inclusive list of wet locations.

All the water is normally contained in tanks and pipes, so I don't think it is a wet location. But that doesn't mean you can't specify GFCI receptacles and something other than NEMA 1 enclosures.
 
steve66 said:
It does not say that room is a wet location. The NEC is not a design manual, and even if it was, there is no way they could provide an all inclusive list of wet locations.

All the water is normally contained in tanks and pipes, so I don't think it is a wet location. But that doesn't mean you can't specify GFCI receptacles and something other than NEMA 1 enclosures.
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All of the above means AHJ cannot enforce it no where in NEC or in AHJ local codes but if designer wants to specify it and chooses it which is very unlikely then yea its possible to have gfci.

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