Water Supply line near receptacle

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So no GFCI, big problem. Other than that, not a good idea, but is it a code violation? Replace with GFCI, is it compliant? It is in a business kitchen. Hopefully there is a pic attached
 

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If it's a commercial kitchen GFCI protection is required. The piping is not an issue.
 
Have you confirmed if it is protected via GFCI breaker or feed through option from an upstream GFCI receptacle? I agree with others that the piping is not an issue, but the Commercial Kitchen requirement triggers it.
 
No GFCI protection. Thats what I meant in beginning when I said big problem. Job was contracted out from us. Telling our Supe it is not compliant, also have 3 vending machines downstream that are not gfci protected. He just doesn't want to listen to us.
 
jim3394 said:
No GFCI protection. Thats what I meant in beginning when I said big problem. Job was contracted out from us. Telling our Supe it is not compliant, also have 3 vending machines downstream that are not gfci protected. He just doesn't want to listen to us.
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Show him the code section. If he doesn't want to fix the issue then I'd let it go. Not your problem.
 
tw1156 said:
Have you confirmed if it is protected via GFCI breaker or feed through option from an upstream GFCI receptacle? I agree with others that the piping is not an issue, but the Commercial Kitchen requirement triggers it.
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Unless the Code cycle you are on doesn't address commercial kitchens yet. Look at 210.8 in your NEC.

-Hal
 
OP said "business kitchen" not "commercial kitchen" .
Now what he meant, only he knows. But by "business kitchen" I think break room or lunch room.

In any event, I would GFCI it and be done with it!:happyyes:
 
Just because you have water pipes next to the receptacle it does not mean you need GFCI protection. But if it is a kitchen (based on the definition article 100) then it needs a GFCI whether or not you have water pipes next to the receptacle.
 
Little Bill said:
OP said "business kitchen" not "commercial kitchen" .
Now what he meant, only he knows. But by "business kitchen" I think break room or lunch room.

In any event, I would GFCI it and be done with it!:happyyes:
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Again, the OP doesn't tell us where he is so we have no way of knowing what Code cycle applies. GFCI requirements have changed significantly in the last few code cycles, from just residential to now include commercial. Also, nothing is said about what is plugged into that receptacle. The OP mentions vending machines. Many vending machines have a GFCI built-in or as part of the line cord like window A/Cs.

That said, if this is a "one of" I would spend the extra $5.00 and install a GFCI receptacle just, as Bill says, to be done with it.

-Hal
 
NEC Code Cycle Slot for new posts?

NEC Code Cycle Slot for new posts?

It's unfortunate there's not a space to type which code cycle you're referencing when creating a new topic similar to where the 'Title' post appears that could show up with the topic so users could respond accordingly. I believe there's a gentleman on here that has his signature saying something around, "All responses are according to 2014 NEC". I think that would also benefit just as much. I apologize for the off topic nature of this relating to this post, so please move this to its own thread as needed by the Moderators.
 
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