Welding Cable

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I have a question with the use of welding cable for feed wires. Because of
the tight spacing of the buckets in our motor control center, my manager
wants us to use welding cable (the size suitable for the load required)
instead of 4/0 THHN, to feed all the individual buckets. I believe the code
does not allow the use of welding cable, because the cable has a specific
label on it's jacket. If you could let me know any information about this.
It would be greatly appreciated.
Thank You
 
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If the cable only says "welding cable" on the jacket you cannot use it for power circuits per the UL listing. There is welding cable available that is dual listed and will have markings for type RHW or RHH on the jacket along with the words "welding cable". In that case you can use it. There is also Type W power cable that can be used for this application.
Don
 
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As Don says just use a flexible type that is listed RHH/RHW. It can be Welding, DLO, or just Extra-Flex. The only other provision is using the right type of connectors made/listed for fexible cable types which require special tools.
 
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Agreeing with both Don & Dereck I would like to relate the following, in addition to what was said; some real world advise.

In our main facility, we have a number of 250A, 480Y/277V 3 ph lighting panelboards. A few years ago, when these panels and feeders were replaced, engineering specs called out for feeder conductors, and of course pipe, to be sized in accordance to limit voltage drop to 3%. This was for the run from the unit-substation's distribution to the panel. Some feeders actually became 2 sets of 500kcmil CU in 4" c. The difficulty arose in the fact that the lighting panel boards were not increased in size physically to allow for the larger and more numerous cables; it remained 225A. Even though these were custom made stainless steel panel boards, and contained the main, and distribution breakers, they also had internal heaters with full sized Honeywell controls; there was not much additional space. What the contractor had done was to bring both of the conduits and conductor sets into the panel board. Another factor was the frame size of the main, [in this case], molded case switch. It did not allow for the termination of 2 sets of 500 kcmil. Let's face it, with all of the conduits, these main feeders, and the branch circuitry, there was little room.

What the contractor had done to terminate these oversized main feeders, was to install a distribution block with short sections of welding cable between the block and the main. I will not comment about inspection or follow-up; it was just installed that way.

Over the next 20 months, we lost 80% of the mains devices, not because of the double sets of oversized cables, per se, but due to the welding cable, which was just terminated in the screw lugs of the mains thermal cycling and failing. Lugs just vaporized.

We had to go back in each and every case, and re-work the feeds so that the double conduits with oversized cables terminated outside of the panel board, and then brought down a single set of 300kcmil; the largest conductor approved for the new mains & lugs.

I would have never thought that the real thermal failure & damage would have been caused by the improper termination of the welding cable in the mechanical lug. By the way, the panelboards were only loaded to about 55% and were always on.

This cost us a few hundred thousand dollars to repair, and countless hours of preparation and inconvenience to execute. I guess if I have a point,,,,don't use the welding cable. And if you must use a highly flexible connection, make sure that you use the proper terminations.
 
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As I said before the cable takes special terminations. Screw or any kind of mechanical connectors will not do the job.
 
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