What connector is this?

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M. D. said:
There is no such thing as "grand pappied in" it is either code compliant or not ..
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Sure, there are. Existing 3-wire major-appliance circuits are an example, as are existing non-GFCI- and non-AFCI-protected branch circuits.
 
I wouldn't fail you for it, unless you
added a new cable to the existing connector. Then I would ask you to
show me if that connector is listed for two cables
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That poses an interesting question....to me anyway.


Is it my job to prove the installation is compliant or is it the inspectors job to prove it's non compliant?
 
220/221 said:
That poses an interesting question....to me anyway.


Is it my job to prove the installation is compliant or is it the inspectors job to prove it's non compliant?
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It's your job to understand the limitations of the materials you install.

It is your job as a electrician, to install electrical systems that
are compliant with the NEC. If you don't install electrical systems that
are compliant to the NEC you'll lose a lot of money and won't
be a electrican anymore.:smile:
 
Buck Parrish said:
He doesn't like it because it exposes the interior of the wall.
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How'd you come up with that? :-?

Here's the op's question


rookie4now said:
We just failed an inspection because "conductors entering sub panel must be properly secured." It turns out, the inspector doesn't like the connectors from the ORIGINAL panel installation, he's fine with the ones we used on the circuits we added.
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Not trying to bust chops. I am very annoyed with the inspector. The only correct answer if it was my job would be what I already said. "Inspect my work and either write up a violation or sign off, on MY work. " The inspector has no business failing me because he doesn't like some connector that he happens to see in an existing panel that has been there for who knows how long.
 
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LarryFine said:
Sure, there are. Existing 3-wire major-appliance circuits are an example, as are existing non-GFCI- and non-AFCI-protected branch circuits.
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All non compliant with the current code (2008) ,.. and all are allowed to remain in service... they are not grand fathered in to the existing code ,.. they are allowed to remain in service in spite of it..
 
I had an inspector on his way to view my work ,look up at a 31/4" octagon with 5 old crappy A.C./ B.X. cables in it ,..

He said "your going to get rid of that right ??"

I said "nope ,.not what I was hired to do. But I'll introduce you to the H.O. if you feel it is a life safety issue ...could always use more work"

His repsonse

"Naah let's just look at what you did here"

I think some inspectors just push a little bit while others will just give a guy a sucker punch.
 
In the late fifties, in Virginia, we called them "Butterfly Connectors".
It was the only kind that Archie stocked for us.

OTH, you show TWO cables passing through a connector Listed for ONE cable.
That is what is looks like to me, and that may be part of the AJH thinking.
 
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480sparky said:
Everyone got it? Ask for a Code reference.
All together now: "Ask for a Code reference!"
Pop Quiz Time: Fill in the blanks : "___ for a ___ __________."
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I like that, 480!!!
I may be more soft spoken, but I agree.

IMO, always ask for the code reference.
Politics is part of the game.
A polite and reasonable request now is better than
a hard request and a drawn out trip to the Code Enforcement office.

Our AHJ's have always been co-operative about this issue.
I have called them on the phone, questioned them on the site, etc.
Our master engaged one, and bantered things around for a while.
The AHJ said to 'carry on', and then he started asking questions
about other industrial subjects that came to his mind,
but not about our project. Our master has a lot of experience.

Anyway, I like the "Fill in the Blank".
Good communication.
 
It's your job to understand the limitations of the materials you install.
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You'd make a good politician the way you sided stepped my question :grin: .

Along that line, he should know the materials he is inspecting...... so the question remains.

From a legal standpoint, in the US, I would assume it would be up to the authority to provide evidence of wrongdoing.

Of course if I am on the job and I have in my possesion the listing info I am going to show it to him but that isn't going to be the case most of the time.
 
220/221 said:
You'd make a good politician the way you sided stepped my question :grin: .

Along that line, he should know the materials he is inspecting...... so the question remains.

From a legal standpoint, in the US, I would assume it would be up to the authority to provide evidence of wrongdoing.

Of course if I am on the job and I have in my possesion the listing info I am going to show it to him but that isn't going to be the case most of the time.
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I can't answer your question directly. When I'm hired to do a job
I take all responsibility for the "Electrical" side of the install.
The inspector, in the way I think, is only there to verify that the
install is compliant and as a record for the city. It is my responsibilty
to provide all listings of the materials I used in my install. I chose the
wiring method not the inspector. Do you base your installs on if it's
permited or not? If it's not permitted do you install how you see fit or
do you install as it was permited and follow the NEC to the letter?
I personaly follow the NEC to the letter regardless if it's inspected or not.
The way I see it, the rules are there for a reason, my opinion of those
rules are no concern to the lawyers that will sue me for breaking them.:smile:
 
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