.......Notices like 480 is just a path for immediate termination. I may feel like 480 but there must be a better way. Dimplomatic.
I don't think it ever was legal to put 14 al on a 20a breaker for most circuits.
Where I come from the medics do have refusal forms for you to sign
And they do here as well.
My point is, they do not hop out of the ambulance, take one look at your bloody face and broken leg, and demand you sign it right off the bat.
They will do whatever they can to attend to you first. It is only as a last resort, after you refuse to be treated several times, that they will request you sign the form.
I do the same thing should I encounter a serious electrical problem. I will explain the danger, show the code book, and try to impart the impact it may have in the future.
I may say something like, "Well, I obviously cannot guarantee that the building will burn down, nor can I predict when it will if it does at all, but what I see here is a serious problem that should be corrected. However, should there be a fire and the building burns down, you can rest assured that both the fire marshal and your insurance company will get involved. If it is determined that this definceincy was the cause of the problem, you may be looking at an insurance carrier that refuses to pay. And if it can be proven that you knew about the problem and declined to correct it, criminal charges could be considered. Now, in order to protect me from any future lawuits that might arise should this worst-case scenario become a reality, I'll ask you to sign a waiver stating that I have indeed informed you of the issue as well as your refusal to permit me to correct it."
This is a far cry from sierrasparky's envisioned "Oh, my, well.... will you look at that. Damn, that's bad. I see hundreds of people dying tomorrow morning in a massive fire. It'll be on the six-o'clock news about how you allowed them to die needlessly in a fire you could have prevented. Oh well, no skin off my nose. However, I'm going to require you to sign this form right here and right now or else I'm going to call Vinnie and Bruno over to do things 'the old world way', if you know what I mean (wink wink)."
Sparky here > I don't think that is what I invisioned.
....Notices like 480 is just a path for immediate termination. I may feel like 480 but there must be a better way. Dimplomatic.
Placing such a document in ones face is not going to get you more work. It is not being very diplomatic. There must be a softer way to protect oneself!
Why would you think you could get someone to sign such a document!
If I were that Manager I would never sign such a thing. And if you presented such a document I would never see your company at this place ever again.
What if the reaction is to refuse to sign, thinking that it eliminates any evidence that they knew?"Now, in order to protect me from any future lawuits that might arise should this worst-case scenario become a reality, I'll ask you to sign a waiver stating that I have indeed informed you of the issue as well as your refusal to permit me to correct it."
What if the reaction is to refuse to sign, thinking that it eliminates any evidence that they knew?
I would replace the breaker with the correct size and state on the invoice why.
I would also state that the breaker could possibly trip now because the correct breaker is of a lower ampacity.
I would also state that the other circuit breakers are oversized as well and present a fire hazard. I would get a signature on this showing that the owner was made aware of the situation.
I would then refer them to this website and have the link listed on the invoice.
They have the information now and it's up to them to decide what they want to do.
I will only do what I feel is a safe installation and meets code.
Aluminum wiring has enough problems without overloading it.