When & where IGBT or Thyristor used?

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I want to ask if there is resistive load and inductive load so in which condition we have to use IGBT and Thyristor. Or my question is wrong? Please explain?
 
This is a forum on the NEC, there are electronics related forums that are more appropriate for you. However there will be some here who can help
 
This is a forum on the NEC, there are electronics related forums that are more appropriate for you. However there will be some here who can help
Sir, this is not pure electronics question. This is power electronics query. Both electrical and electronics involved in it. I am not asking its basic construction or working principle. I m interested in its application and conditions for its installation.

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Again this is a forum on the national electrical code. Your question is far outside the scope of what we are about
 
Thyristors are used in soft starters and resistive heating controllers. IGBTs are used in VFDs, UPS and servo amplifiers. You technically can use IGBT based systems for heating, but it’s a waste of money because they need more complex controls and rectification that is basically unimportant for most heating applications.
 
Thyristors are used in soft starters and resistive heating controllers. IGBTs are used in VFDs, UPS and servo amplifiers. You technically can use IGBT based systems for heating, but it’s a waste of money because they need more complex controls and rectification that is basically unimportant for most heating applications.
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Thyristors are used in soft starters and resistive heating controllers. IGBTs are used in VFDs, UPS and servo amplifiers. You technically can use IGBT based systems for heating, but it’s a waste of money because they need more complex controls and rectification that is basically unimportant for most heating applications.
Thyristors are also used for DC variable speed drives and on anodising rectifiers, some of them very large.
 
I want to ask if there is resistive load and inductive load so in which condition we have to use IGBT and Thyristor. Or my question is wrong? Please explain?

Tourist or us the generic name for ANY 3 terminal device but mostly just refers to current controlled devices. I’m assuming you are referring to medium voltage.

When we get into power stacks in medium voltage there are many choices, all with drawbacks. A very old design is the cycloconverter. The easiest way to visualize it is if we took a 60 Hz waveform and cut out every other pulse. This gives us 30 Hz. Fundamentally we can’t exceed 30 Hz but various firing patterns make nearly any frequency from 0 to 30 Hz possible. This is ideal for SCRs. An SCR can be made to block up to 10s of kV blocking. If it wasn’t for the fact that it can’t shut off without a current zero, it’s the perfect device. You can easily stack them to go to 15 kV and they are cheap. This is also ideal for soft starts.

So to get to a full 60 Hz the old design is a load commutated inverter. So in this design we rely quite a bit on the reactance of the load to force commutation. A gate commutated thyristor is effectively an SCR but if you put a huge negative current pulse in the gate it can be forced back open. This was the first “real” VFD but they aren’t terribly efficient with the current control and they are sensitive to load changes. Ultimately these issues lead to equipment that has to be built to order leading to very long lead times.

Then we get to IGBTs. At low voltages it has high current handling, very fast turn on/off times (to a fault), and voltage control instead of current. In every respect it is the perfect device except two (one). The first is that switching consumes a lot of current and being silicon based causes thermal limitations. Fortunately newer wide band gap materials are largely solving this. The second more serious problem is it has an inherent low blocking voltage. The vast majority of IGBTs are limited to 1500 V blocking. Although there are “high voltage” 3300 V IGBTs the yields, prices, and availability make it less expensive to use low voltage IGBTs and just deal with the consequences. 5, 7, or 9 level cascaded H bridges or tapped transformer designs are most common. Every VFD manufacturer has a slight twist on things. There is no “standard” design like we see with 6 pulse mass produced 600 V drives.

Even if a better device existed no market would exist. 600 V inverters rely on the fact that wiring is rated to at least 200% of rated plus 1 kV or 1800 V so little transient protection is required. At medium voltage the same spec exists but now at say 5 kV with a 6 kV DC bus voltage and cable limited to 11 kV a 200% transient will rip through the insulation. 5 level switching is a bare minimum.

At low voltage IGBTs are used almost exclusively down to around 25-30 A. At that point simple MOSFETs have lower losses and are cheaper so they dominate the micro drive market.
 
I want to ask if there is resistive load and inductive load so in which condition we have to use IGBT and Thyristor. Or my question is wrong? Please explain?

Jraef and paulengr have covered this well, but I have a few more comments:

Thyristors are typically used for "phase control" of the AC power line waveform, where the thyristor turns ON somewhere during a half-cycle and then turns off at the next zero crossing. The net effect is to reduce the average current and therefore power into the load. The output will have the same periodicity as the AC power input but will have substantially more harmonic content. In addition to the soft starters and heating controllers that Jraef mentioned, most of the light dimmers out there apply "forward" phase control by using thyristors. Inductive loads such as motors, transformers for low voltage lighting., etc. are OK for this type of phase control because the current through an inductive load will not change quickly even with a step in the applied voltage (because the current though an inductor is proportional to the integral of the applied voltage and so it takes some time to build up). By contrast, trying to drive a capacitive load with a step in voltage will produce a large current spike.

IGBTs provide the capability to use PWM (pulse width modulation), often using a carrier frequency well above 1 KHz. This allows inverters to be made that provide AC outputs with frequency, phase, and amplitudes that are not constrained to those of the AC power line like in the "phase control" approach mentioned above. Typically the device or component that an IGBT drives directly is inductive, whether that be a motor on a VFD output, or an inductive input lowpass filter on the output stage of a UPS or a DC/DC switching supply. As mentioned above this will limit the peak current through the IGBT, which is necessary for reliability reasons and also reduces EMI and harmonic content.
 
Thyristors are also used for DC variable speed drives and on anodising rectifiers, some of them very large.
Good points, I have been getting too focused on AC motor work lately.

The last time I saw/used a DC drive was about 8 years ago now, and only because the user didn’t want to change the motors (yet). But yes, they are still out there. Ironically I just got done with a project that had a large rectifier for a magnetic separator, slipped my mind.
 
Good points, I have been getting too focused on AC motor work lately.

The last time I saw/used a DC drive was about 8 years ago now, and only because the user didn’t want to change the motors (yet). But yes, they are still out there. Ironically I just got done with a project that had a large rectifier for a magnetic separator, slipped my mind.
I have commented on this before. We made thyristor rectifiers for anodising plants. Some were 40,000A units. You don't need to get the calcs wrong!
 
It looks like Apple messed up the first line.

A thyristor is ANY 3+ terminal switching device so basically everything except diodes and DIACs. But in common use it is often used as another name for an SCR as well as a family of alphabet soup devices for medium voltage which we can generically call gate commutated thyristors (GCTs) but gate commutation in this case is a current controlled device. In general they are not the most desirable devices to use.

In the ideal world all power electronics would be a switch that has infinite resistance while off, zero resistance when on, with no polarity, and can switch in nanoseconds. All real devices fail this “simple” criteria in some way.
 
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