Why aren't VTs fused?

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big john

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Only time I see unfused PTs are at transmission levels.

CTs are unfused because they are current limited by design and because of the open-circuit dangers that would be created were the fuse to blow. Further, as they are often a critical element in protection the idea would be to sacrifice the CT if it meant reliably tripping the protection.
 

mbrooke

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Ok, got found this in the NEC at 450.3 (C):



(C) Voltage (Potential) Transformers. Voltage (potential)
transformers installed indoors or enclosed shall be protected
with primary fuses.
Informational Note: For protection of instrument circuits
including voltage transformers, see 408.52.


So anything outdoor in the open can be unfused. But my question is why would the NEC allow this?
 

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Ok, got found this in the NEC at 450.3 (C):






So anything outdoor in the open can be unfused. But my question is why would the NEC allow this?
Two things come to mind:

1. POCO equipment is not covered by the NEC, and
2. An overloaded PT outside in the open is not likely to start any fires or be an injury hazard. Like secondary wires on a service transformer, it will just burn out and stop the fault current that way.
 

mbrooke

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Two things come to mind:

1. POCO equipment is not covered by the NEC, and
2. An overloaded PT outside in the open is not likely to start any fires or be an injury hazard. Like secondary wires on a service transformer, it will just burn out and stop the fault current that way.

Id agree, but at HV it looks just plain wrong :eek:
 

rian0201

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At what side? High or low side of vt?

Low side always have protection on it, as for the high side, we can rely on the protection of the line for that matter.

Maybe you dont see fuses because they are breakers.. Hahaha


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mbrooke

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At what side? High or low side of vt?

Low side always have protection on it, as for the high side, we can rely on the protection of the line for that matter.

Maybe you dont see fuses because they are breakers.. Hahaha


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The high side, low side always has fused protection.
 

junkhound

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Have seen folks bypass PT fuse on big gensets because they forgot to set the system up to disconnect voltage reg when the engine is shutoff. Voltage stays up while frequency drops, saturates PT and blows fuse and they cannot figure out why th;e fuse blows so they just bypass it !
 

mbrooke

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Have seen folks bypass PT fuse on big gensets because they forgot to set the system up to disconnect voltage reg when the engine is shutoff. Voltage stays up while frequency drops, saturates PT and blows fuse and they cannot figure out why th;e fuse blows so they just bypass it !

That sounds painful for the VT. At least (usually) during serve frequency drops in the grid are often accompanied by a large voltage dip.
 

rian0201

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The high side, low side always has fused protection.

If the vts are directly connected to the bus, then, the protection lies of the line protective relays.. If the connection uses a string of conductors normally it has fuse cut outs.
 

mbrooke

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If the vts are directly connected to the bus, then, the protection lies of the line protective relays.. If the connection uses a string of conductors normally it has fuse cut outs.



Wouldn't buss differential cutout first?... At least it would here in the US where nearly all POCO substations have either low impedance or high impedance buss differential relays dedicated to bus protection. Remote zone 3 or a reverse MHO curve is used as a very last resort.
 
PT (wound) and CCVT failures are usually explosive in nature due to the voltage and fault current available. As had been mentioned above, the zone of protection provides the primary protection for the VT. Also, usually if the VT fails it means your protection is degraded with it and it's not desirable to have the element in service without the VT also in service. Thus, no real reason to go to the trouble of primary fuses at transmission and sub transmission voltages.

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