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Does anyone know the NEC's reasoning behind expanding GFCIs to equipment over 120 volts? Hard wired equipment? Industrial equipment?
Even for hard wired equipment? Are broken EGCs really that numerous?I believe there were some instances of electric shock that the CMP believes can be avoided with GFCI protection on circuits of 250 volts or less.
Even hard wired DWs?Receptacles only I believe.
Residential Dishwashers are a different breed. I’ll have to look to see if commercial units need GFCI.
Given how dangerous even a listed body of water is, I'd say thats one place where they actually belong. In an ideal world we would not be allowed to have electricity in pools, spas, hydro-message tubs, ect.Spa is a good one...
Believe hard wired 208 or 240 volt ranges and dryers do not need GFCI protection under the 2020 NEC but think this is a mistake. GFCI'S can be a pain in you know where but safe thousands of luves a year.Does anyone know the NEC's reasoning behind expanding GFCIs to equipment over 120 volts? Hard wired equipment? Industrial equipment?
Yup. They have saved thousands of lives where an EGC was or is not present. Two prong none double insulated tools being a biggy.Believe hard wired 208 or 240 volt ranges and dryers do not need GFCI protection under the 2020 NEC but think this is a mistake. GFCI'S can be a pain in you know where but safe thousands of luves a year.
Dishwasher was added because of a product issue that should have been taken care of by product recalls, it wasn't even shock hazard that triggered this but rather component failure that can end up starting a fire, but GFCI can respond to that failure.Residential Dishwashers are a different breed. I’ll have to look to see if commercial units need GFCI.
Dishwasher was added because of a product issue that should have been taken care of by product recalls, it wasn't even shock hazard that triggered this but rather component failure that can end up starting a fire, but GFCI can respond to that failure.
Any chance breaker manufacturer profits had anything to do with it?Does anyone know the NEC's reasoning behind expanding GFCIs to equipment over 120 volts?
Good question. I mean if they are trying to solve a particular problem, there is more than on way to do it. Mandating a specific device for that solution would certainly be manufacturers at work.Any chance breaker manufacturer profits had anything to do with it?
You mean the same ones that were major players in getting AFCI requirements into code?Any chance breaker manufacturer profits had anything to do with it?
I think Square D had a blue or green button AFCI on recall a decade ago.You mean the same ones that were major players in getting AFCI requirements into code?
What they going to do if someday they are mandated to do some sort of recall on products that are already 10+ years old.
Has happened with airbags and other safety components in some older vehicles.
The recall involved putting a couple of tie wraps on the wires so the leaking heating elements wouldn’t drip on the components. I know, I had one.Probably so
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Whirlpool Settles Dishwasher Fire Lawsuit With Offer of Rebates and Repairs
Consumer Reports has the settlement details of a class-action dishwasher fire lawsuit involving Whirlpool, KitchenAid, and Kenmore dishwashers.www.consumerreports.org
for what reason? Recall to the entire line or just certain lot numbers that maybe were discovered to have a defect? They do recall other products within certain production dates at times because they found something defective that likely effected the entire lot.I think Square D had a blue or green button AFCI on recall a decade ago.
Can't make this stuff up. Its not just them, but Bosch, GE, Maytag (before Whirlpool acquired it), Frigidaire over the past two decades on different makes and models.The recall involved putting a couple of tie wraps on the wires so the leaking heating elements wouldn’t drip on the components. I know, I had one.