I had a guy tell me about one of his rural country neighbors last week. This elderly neighbor lives in a remote area fairly close to a highway. I guess awhile back a lady ran off the road into the snow bank. She walked to the elderly women?s house and asked to use the phone. This area is really remote, so to call out to the next town, it was a long distance call. The lady called her husband and after awhile he came and pulled her out. That month when the telephone bill came, the phone owner had a call on the bill that was long distance and she couldn?t figure it out. I guess she always uses a calling card so mostly her bill is just the normal fee. She called the phone company and said it must be some sort of mistake. I guess the operator then asked her if she would like to hear the conversation and verify that it was not her. She then heard the conversation and instantly remembered the vehicle episode. Could this really be true? Has anybody ever heard of a phone company recording conversations? It seems like one of those urban myth type stories to me, but this guy is extremely credible.
wierd telephone story
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jimwalker
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I would think thats illegal to record
I would think thats illegal to record
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All data is recorded by telco's except the voice conversation, that would take a court order and does happen. It is not feasable possible for a telco to record all voice converstion, do not know of a system that would have the storage capacity.
All data is recorded by telco's except the voice conversation, that would take a court order and does happen. It is not feasable possible for a telco to record all voice converstion, do not know of a system that would have the storage capacity.
jrdsg
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derek is correct. we supply and install voice logging systems for call centers and the like. the data storage requirements are immense. the only party that has this kind of bandwidth and reach is the NSA.
remember 'enemy of the state'?
derek is correct. we supply and install voice logging systems for call centers and the like. the data storage requirements are immense. the only party that has this kind of bandwidth and reach is the NSA.
remember 'enemy of the state'?
al hildenbrand
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Heh!. . .I remember real life. . .during the Watergate hearings of the mid-Seventies and the revelations of how the Nixon Whitehouse had misused the intelligence community. Congress started separate investigatory hearings focused directly on the FBI, CIA, NSA, etc. A chunk of these hearings were also broadcast live.
I was driving in the high mesa country of New Mexico, lots of road ahead, and I found an AM station that had the hearings on, live. As I listened, the man being questioned, an official in the NSA, was cornered into explaining the telephone tap capabilities and practices of his agency.
Remember, this is 1975, and the PC was still a hobbyists's holy grail, and everything was being done with monstrous mainframes.
He explained that the voice recognition programing they used routinely monitored every overseas call placed inside the U.S. and randomly monitored a third of the calls inside the States. Upon "hearing" a word like "bomb" or "dope", etc., etc., the conversation was put on tape to be evaluated by a human.
And this is what could be talked about in live, public Congressional hearing.
Heh!. . .I remember real life. . .during the Watergate hearings of the mid-Seventies and the revelations of how the Nixon Whitehouse had misused the intelligence community. Congress started separate investigatory hearings focused directly on the FBI, CIA, NSA, etc. A chunk of these hearings were also broadcast live.I was driving in the high mesa country of New Mexico, lots of road ahead, and I found an AM station that had the hearings on, live. As I listened, the man being questioned, an official in the NSA, was cornered into explaining the telephone tap capabilities and practices of his agency.
Remember, this is 1975, and the PC was still a hobbyists's holy grail, and everything was being done with monstrous mainframes.
He explained that the voice recognition programing they used routinely monitored every overseas call placed inside the U.S. and randomly monitored a third of the calls inside the States. Upon "hearing" a word like "bomb" or "dope", etc., etc., the conversation was put on tape to be evaluated by a human.
And this is what could be talked about in live, public Congressional hearing.
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Almost every time I call ?customer service? for any type of company, I hear a recorded statement to the effect that my conversation might be monitored or recorded ?for quality purposes.? Once they have given you that warning, they essentially have obtained your permission to record the phone call. If you don?t choose to allow the call to be monitored or recorded, you can tell them so. I haven?t tried that, so I don?t know what they might do. But I do know that, absent a court order, and absent getting your permission, to record a conversation is not legal.
Almost every time I call ?customer service? for any type of company, I hear a recorded statement to the effect that my conversation might be monitored or recorded ?for quality purposes.? Once they have given you that warning, they essentially have obtained your permission to record the phone call. If you don?t choose to allow the call to be monitored or recorded, you can tell them so. I haven?t tried that, so I don?t know what they might do. But I do know that, absent a court order, and absent getting your permission, to record a conversation is not legal.
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conversations become recorded "by accident" all the time. I do not think they can be used for litigation by the recorder, but can be used by a criminal prosecution, as the prosecution (the body politic doing the prosecuting) did not do the recording. I also think that they can be used in defense, if not recorded by the defense, but unsure about that. Look at movie footage of police violence by civilians. Are you saying that the video is okay but not the sound.
I doubt that recording threats, extortion, or any other illegal activity enjoys the full privacy rights assumed by most citizens.
also look at what happened to miss wobegotten, supposed friend of Lewinsky. Did it stop its use????
complicated legally in actual practice. The politically, popular, or friends of the police do not get prosecuted. There may be civil claims, however.
paul
Any lawyers up on all the nuances currently??
conversations become recorded "by accident" all the time. I do not think they can be used for litigation by the recorder, but can be used by a criminal prosecution, as the prosecution (the body politic doing the prosecuting) did not do the recording. I also think that they can be used in defense, if not recorded by the defense, but unsure about that. Look at movie footage of police violence by civilians. Are you saying that the video is okay but not the sound.
I doubt that recording threats, extortion, or any other illegal activity enjoys the full privacy rights assumed by most citizens.
also look at what happened to miss wobegotten, supposed friend of Lewinsky. Did it stop its use????
complicated legally in actual practice. The politically, popular, or friends of the police do not get prosecuted. There may be civil claims, however.
paul
Any lawyers up on all the nuances currently??
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I am no lawyer, but I have heard that the answer to this question is "yes." It is my understanding that, as an example, I can put a security camera in the lobby of my building, and can give the images to the police for prosecuting an alleged crime. But I cannot have the camera record any sound. Again, my understanding is that recording of conversations without the permission of the participants can only be done under a court order.
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charlie; although I do not disagree with what you are saying, you imply, as a response to my question about videotaping (aka Rodney King), that if the sound were available on that videotape, it would have been a crime for the videotaper, and would be disallowed in court both civil and criminal. I don't think so. I do not think that is correct. Also note in your response the choice of the plural for it to be illegal. Does that mean it is okay if one party wishes to record the conversation?
I do not think the answer is so simple in actuallity. It is the details that that devil dwells.
It has been common for cell phone conversations to be picked up by other phones. Some of these embarrassing conversations were aired publicly by the news media who claimed it was by serendipity that they heard the conversation, had a voice recorder, and also recognized the participants. I doubt that they were prosecuted.
I do not think the police require a court order every time they use their gear. There is video and voice recording the whole time. haven't you watched the cop shows. No court orders for speeding tickets in advance (need proof or probable cause for court orders) and there is audio the whole time.
not so clear cut??
paul
charlie; although I do not disagree with what you are saying, you imply, as a response to my question about videotaping (aka Rodney King), that if the sound were available on that videotape, it would have been a crime for the videotaper, and would be disallowed in court both civil and criminal. I don't think so. I do not think that is correct. Also note in your response the choice of the plural for it to be illegal. Does that mean it is okay if one party wishes to record the conversation?
I do not think the answer is so simple in actuallity. It is the details that that devil dwells.
It has been common for cell phone conversations to be picked up by other phones. Some of these embarrassing conversations were aired publicly by the news media who claimed it was by serendipity that they heard the conversation, had a voice recorder, and also recognized the participants. I doubt that they were prosecuted.
I do not think the police require a court order every time they use their gear. There is video and voice recording the whole time. haven't you watched the cop shows. No court orders for speeding tickets in advance (need proof or probable cause for court orders) and there is audio the whole time.
not so clear cut??
paul
charlie tuna
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we worked for a bank home ported in brazil. they had a cabinet that recorded every phone call including conversations and every transaction -- the branch manager was the only one that had access to the system. the server was about the size of a wash machine. this entire system was heavily secured!
we worked for a bank home ported in brazil. they had a cabinet that recorded every phone call including conversations and every transaction -- the branch manager was the only one that had access to the system. the server was about the size of a wash machine. this entire system was heavily secured!
hurk27
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Charlie while I'm not a lawyer ether I have read that any photo's, moving pictures, or audio that is recorded in a public place is considered public domain and admissible in a court of law. Public domain is a location where is is reasonable that a person of the public would be able to hear or see the conversation taking place without trespass. News crews use this all the time. and I found out about it when asking about installing security cameras with audio.
Police can record every conversation and are required to do so by law that takes place with an officer and the public over a electronic device. Thats why most police stopped using CB radios because they didn't have the means to record them. and it was against the law for them to have a conversation with anyone in the general public without it being recorded. Even their cell phones are permanently tapped. Ever wonder why they carry two?
Charlie while I'm not a lawyer ether I have read that any photo's, moving pictures, or audio that is recorded in a public place is considered public domain and admissible in a court of law. Public domain is a location where is is reasonable that a person of the public would be able to hear or see the conversation taking place without trespass. News crews use this all the time. and I found out about it when asking about installing security cameras with audio.
Police can record every conversation and are required to do so by law that takes place with an officer and the public over a electronic device. Thats why most police stopped using CB radios because they didn't have the means to record them. and it was against the law for them to have a conversation with anyone in the general public without it being recorded. Even their cell phones are permanently tapped. Ever wonder why they carry two?
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