wifi reception

junkhound

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I should know this but dont

Zosi security cameras, cat5 cables works perfectly, disconnect cable to see wht wifi range is, 300+ feet at night.

During day, dead or intermittent. At 2.4 GHz, sure is not ionospere effects.

Suspect that the Zosi security system wifi receivers cannot discriminate after about 5AM (but still dark) as the local airwaves become more saturated.

Any better explanation? feeling stupid as have not done much wifi rcv/xmit work or other RF above UHF.
 
No, that's pretty much it... 5a is when the earliest birds start rising and doing their thing. If you have an Android-based phone, there are apps you can use that'll passively scan the airwaves and show you which channels are being used by what access points and their relative signal strength, so by hopping around you may be able to find a lane that's a little less congested. Apple, sadly, does not allow similar apps on iOS.
 
That' most likely to be device saturation in general; as more devices show up and try to connect to something, they send out beacons looking for access points. Remember, there are only 14 channels in that band and a device will spread over 5 of them.

What can you do? One thing is set the AP's channel to something other than 1/6/11, another is to turn off "SSID announcement" so incoming devices don't see it and try to connect.

For Android apps, check out WiFiMan from Ubiquity and "WiFi Analyzer" from VREM, both are free.
 
Thanks guys, i ordered another 1000 ft of 5e cable... and another 20 gal of diesel for the backhoe :giggle:

Like ya guys said, saturation and congestion the answer. I had tried a corner reflector antenna and a helix antenna during the day also, no connection even though signal strength showed 2 bars.
 
Thanks guys, i ordered another 1000 ft of 5e cable... and another 20 gal of diesel for the backhoe :giggle:


WiFi includes an internal hidden function to detect how important the usage is, and act accordingly; if casual, all is fine but if mission critical, LET'S HAVE PHUN!

You may do better with 5GHz or the new 6GHz bands; they have a lot more space.

I've always strung CAT-something or now fiber; I've never recommended "mesh" systems. That said, a ISP-owning friend now swears by the EERO 6-Plus [not 6, not pro] system for residential users; he'd deployed over 100 sets. But not the 7 as its power consumption is double that of the 6.
 
Off subject, but might be interesting to folks == Your distance limit figures remind me of a study 20 or so years ago for increasing the 60 year old diphase data rate between Minuteman missile silos and LCCs. As designed in the 60s, data rate is just over 1kHz (yes 1000, only 3 zeros, not nine). Never did upgrade AFAIK, 50 miles (yep, links that long) is way past 300meters, eh? esp over bundles of 16 awg twisted pair, shielded of course. That old diphase system pretty resistant to EMI, EMP, MHD, etc. The 1 kHz data rate why it takes a minute....:cautious:
 
I should know this but dont

Zosi security cameras, cat5 cables works perfectly, disconnect cable to see wht wifi range is, 300+ feet at night.

During day, dead or intermittent. At 2.4 GHz, sure is not ionospere effects.

Suspect that the Zosi security system wifi receivers cannot discriminate after about 5AM (but still dark) as the local airwaves become more saturated.

Any better explanation? feeling stupid as have not done much wifi rcv/xmit work or other RF above UHF.
Wi-Fi in the 2.4GHz band shares that spectrum with other wireless technologies such as bluetooth and zigbee. If this is in an area that gets more populated during workday hours, but less populated with devices at night, then performance would be expected to be better at night than during the day. This is especially true of high bandwidth devices such as security cameras.

You can as others have suggested use a wifi analyzer app on an android phone to look at how many access points are in the area, which networks they are advertising, and the relative signal strength as seen from your phone, but that won't tell you how congested the spectrum is. The signal strength may not change at all between night and day, but the signal to noise ratio would change, and probably drastically.

Imagine you and one other person (and no one else) in a large gym, standing at opposite corners. You would likely be able to have a conversation with each other without shouting, even an involved conversation with lots of words rapidly exchanged. With another 100 people in the room that are talking as well, you will likely not be able to communicate effectively even if you speak louder than before, but you may be able to understand simple, brief commands if you shout them. Your ability to encode and decode each other's communication was ratcheted way down because the signal to noise ratio was drastically reduced, even if your signal strength was increased, because the noise and interference in the room was much higher than before.

In order to see how busy the spectrum is, You need either a spectrum analyzer such as metageek chanalyzer, which will show the utilization of each channel, or a Wi-Fi packet capture (sniffer) device such as a macbook Pro, so you can capture packets in promiscuous mode and look at how many retransmits are occurring.

Or just use the wired cat5 and eliminate the problems.
 
Imagine you and one other person (and no one else) in a large gym, standing at opposite corners. You would likely be able to have a conversation with each other without shouting, even an involved conversation with lots of words rapidly exchanged. With another 100 people in the room that are talking as well, you will likely not be able to communicate effectively even if you speak louder than before, but you may be able to understand simple, brief commands if you shout them. Your ability to encode and decode each other's communication was ratcheted way down because the signal to noise ratio was drastically reduced, even if your signal strength was increased, because the noise and interference in the room was much higher than before.
Kinda like trying to send a picture or video over the cellular network from a ball park during a game when there are 40,000 in attendance. :D
 
Kinda like trying to send a picture or video over the cellular network from a ball park during a game when there are 40,000 in attendance. :D
Yeah, although directional antennas are generally used in stadium wifi and cellular system designs to try and minimize the interference and increase SNR.
 
Bit the bullet and have run 4 200 ft cat 5, six 75 ft cat5 lines, and 4 50 ft lines. Retaining the balance as wifi, locations with visual line of sight and corner reflectors on antennas at under 200 ft.
 
Yeah, although directional antennas are generally used in stadium wifi and cellular system designs to try and minimize the interference and increase SNR.
That reminds me of a now obsolete adaptation of an old adage that I came up with in the days of dialup internet access:

A picture is worth a thousand words but a thousand words downloads a lot faster
 
Didn’t know anybody runs cat V anymore. All my customers want Cat VI, even though their equipment is not fast enough to use its full potential. Fiber is good between buildings due to lightning, and is readily available pre-terminated. Changed a Church to fiber, they had a cell tower on the property, and lightning kept knocking out the switches in the out buildings.
 
Airport Utility app works pretty good for that. Oldie but a goodie. For those with iOS.
And at first blush, useless. Hasn't been updated in five years, and after five minutes, seems incapable of working with anything that's not an Apple AirPort access point... no Arris, no NetGear, no home-brew OpenBSD...
 
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