Will voltage phase angle change through Y-Y transformation?

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Three autotransformers used for stepdown from 24.9/14.4kV to 14.4/8.3kV. One autotransformer failed, A phase. No spare available.
Used a convention transformer 12.4/7.2kV with a voltage regulator to get the correct voltage as the temporary replacement. That conventional transformer was tapped to 95% and the regulator was taken to 16 raise, or +10%, to match existing phase voltage of the other phases. In my network there are some very smart people with years of experience that I lean on for advice.
The consensus was there could be a voltage phase shift due to the mixed transformation type. I explored that using a wireless MV voltage angle tool.
I consider the testing inconclusive, but the result from that test was A-B=111 degrees, A-C= 246 degrees. There was talk about limits and overheating and what could happen if we were too far out.
Yesterday I had a chance to visit with a meter tech. He said that in the thousands of test he has done over the years on Y-Y systems, all come back at 0 -120-240. His understanding is that the voltage phase angles are fixed by the wire lead connection on the generator and cannot vary from the way those phases leave the generator.
How did the water get muddy on this? Why is there more than one opinion? I don't know the answer.
We all are aware of Delta-Wye transformation and the accompanying phase angle shift. We have dealt with that in the past when paralleling two different sources.
 
Was yours a phase trakker? Maybe the phase trakker jr?
Was it referenced and checked against a known good phase and the angles there?
it’s not uncommon to have some seasonal power angle shift across the grid, especially if it’s been a while since a reference has been set on this device.

Is there any three phase metering close by or on this installation? If you have something like a kV2c meter on a three phase installation you can see the voltage angles there and monitor them with that.
 
Was yours a phase trakker? Maybe the phase trakker jr?
Was it referenced and checked against a known good phase and the angles there?
it’s not uncommon to have some seasonal power angle shift across the grid, especially if it’s been a while since a reference has been set on this device.

Is there any three phase metering close by or on this installation? If you have something like a kV2c meter on a three phase installation you can see the voltage angles there and monitor them with that.
I did use a Phase Trakker Jr.. on the primary. Those reported angles were so far off they could not be considered.
A Bierer PD800W was used to get the angles reported in the original post. https://www.bierermeters.com/uploads/product_manuals/PD800W instructions.pdf
We do use the GE KV2c meter and there is one downline on a Delta-Wye bank. That will be reviewed when all three phase are eventually restored.
My objective when checking the primary is to be in front of any SNAFU when that unique transformation is sent downrange.
 
Three autotransformers used for stepdown from 24.9/14.4kV to 14.4/8.3kV. One autotransformer failed, A phase. No spare available.
Used a convention transformer 12.4/7.2kV with a voltage regulator to get the correct voltage as the temporary replacement. That conventional transformer was tapped to 95% and the regulator was taken to 16 raise, or +10%, to match existing phase voltage of the other phases.
I'm not sure I understand the need to boost the voltage with the 0.95 tap and then +10% from the regulator. The ratios of the autotransformer and conventional transformer are the same at 8.3/14.4 = 7.2/12.4 = 0.58. Running the 12.4kV transformer at 14.4kV runs the risk of saturation due to 16% more applied volt-seconds than it normally handles. Using the 0.95 tap further exacerbates this issue.
One option would be to put a voltage regulator at -10% ahead of the 12.4/7.2kV transformer and another voltage regulator after it at +10%. That would run the transformer input only 4.5% above its nominal rating. But that's getting somewhat complicated.
 
I'm not sure I understand the need to boost the voltage with the 0.95 tap and then +10% from the regulator. The ratios of the autotransformer and conventional transformer are the same at 8.3/14.4 = 7.2/12.4 = 0.58. Running the 12.4kV transformer at 14.4kV runs the risk of saturation due to 16% more applied volt-seconds than it normally handles. Using the 0.95 tap further exacerbates this issue.
One option would be to put a voltage regulator at -10% ahead of the 12.4/7.2kV transformer and another voltage regulator after it at +10%. That would run the transformer input only 4.5% above its nominal rating. But that's getting somewhat complicated.
I typed dataplate info wrong. The replacement conventional is 24.9/7.2kV to 12.4/7.2kV.
I did not add the primary coil voltage again. I expect a fuse would not allow that config to work vey well.
 
24.9/14.4kV to 12.4/7.2kV
14.4 in H1 - 7.2kV is X1
On the conventional
 
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