Wire Connectors In Switch And Recepticle Boxes

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I have been twisting ground wires and installing a wire nut to mechanically hold the wires together in a switch box or receptacle box and I have seen that the company IDEAL makes a In-Sure Push-In connector. Has anyone used these? It looks like it would be easier and take up less space in a box. Has this been approved for code work? I could not find anything about it in the book?
 
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The connector should be listed for splicing the conductors together. If so you're good to go.
 
DYI er

DYI er

please forgive me but it seems that there have been a few previous posts by "Poster" that have been closed .... seems he is doing work and knows nothing about what hes doing ... read previous posts ... happy new year ... m
 
Thanks, Mario. But if you had read my previous post on this subject, you would have seen that I do not consider this person a DIY. He works under the supervision of a licensed electrician, and in accordance with the laws and rules of his local jurisdiction.
 
Did you see this thread,,, Wire managment

Did you see this thread,,, Wire managment

charlie b said:
This thread had been closed. This action was taken because the nature of the question and the occupation shown in the Original Poster's profile raised a concern that this may have been an attempt by a Do It Yourself person to obtain "how-to" information.

In an exchange of Private Messages, the Original Poster has provided assurances that he working under the supervision of a licensed electrician, and in compliance with the laws and rules of his local jurisdiction. Therefore, this is not a ?DIY? situation, as that term is used in the statement of Forum rules.

I am reopening this thread. The membership may feel free to comment or provide assistance, as you wish.

I offer an apology to the Original Poster for the inconvenience and the delay.
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I do not know if charlie meant every question or just the one in the thread above.
 
WDESHOTEL said:
I have been twisting ground wires and installing a wire nut to mechanically hold the wires together in a switch box or receptacle box and I have seen that the company IDEAL makes a In-Sure Push-In connector. Has anyone used these? It looks like it would be easier and take up less space in a box. Has this been approved for code work? I could not find anything about it in the book?
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The construction division of the company I work for just completed two 8 story apartment buildings and used the Ideal push in connector throughout both buildings for all splices. Since our company policy is to pigtail everything, I'm sure a huge amount of labor was saved.

As far as code issues go, there is nothing forbidding their use.
 
I assuming these work the same as back stab devices. I think I have seem them in Halo or Commercial Elect recessed lights.
 
Diy"er

Diy"er

Based on PM's from this poster there is no doubt in my mind that he is a DIY.
 
I'm in grave doubt .......

I'm in grave doubt .......

sorry charlie but I still believe what I said ... if he's doing as you say then the questions he's asking here would have been answered by whomever he's working under, don't you think ... also wondering if you've read his previous posts that have been "Locked" ... hey I may be wrong but I doubt it ... if you're sure, than you should "Open" he other threads, I doubt you will ... happy new year to you and all ... M
 
sorry charlie but I still believe what I said ... if he's doing as you say then the questions he's asking here would have been answered by whomever he's working under, don't you think ... also wondering if you've read his previous posts that have been "Locked" ... hey I may be wrong but I doubt it ... if you're sure, than you should "Open" he other threads, I doubt you will ... happy new year to you and all ... M
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a question ???

a question ???

did you have a question for "ALL" of us, or an apology .... sorry guys ... I guess he pulled the right string ...
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mario said:
I guess he pulled the right string ...
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Mario....

It has nothing to do with strings.

What it has to do with is it is pretty tough on this end of the Internet to 'know' who we have on the other end.

We Moderators do not always get it right but I can tell you with all certainty that we try to do the best we can.

Trust me when I say there have been many conversations about this member between the Mods and we are not all in agreement about this particular issue.

If you feel the poster is DIY than do not answer to the questions.
 
Hi,

My understanding is that they meet code, but there is debate about whether the connections stay tight over time. Proper stripping length is key to an initial tight connection, but as the wires expand and contract over time, some say they have experienced loosening.

Can't use the standard Wall-Nuts with dimmers, etc -- the thin stranded wire won't hold. Supposedly they've come out with a new version that has one slot expressly for this purpose, but I haven't tried them yet.

One thing I am NOT clear on with the connectors is the acceptability of having an empty slot in the connector (i.e., using a 4-slot Wall-Nut for a three wire connection.

The likelihood that something could "get into" the connector doesn't seem any greater than with a standard wire nut, but I don't make the rules...:)


Anyone have insight on this?

Cheers,

hsc
 
hsc said:
Hi,

My understanding is that they meet code, but there is debate about whether the connections stay tight over time. Proper stripping length is key to an initial tight connection, but as the wires expand and contract over time, some say they have experienced loosening.

Can't use the standard Wall-Nuts with dimmers, etc -- the thin stranded wire won't hold. Supposedly they've come out with a new version that has one slot expressly for this purpose, but I haven't tried them yet.

One thing I am NOT clear on with the connectors is the acceptability of having an empty slot in the connector (i.e., using a 4-slot Wall-Nut for a three wire connection.

The likelihood that something could "get into" the connector doesn't seem any greater than with a standard wire nut, but I don't make the rules...:)


Anyone have insight on this?

Cheers,

hsc
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HSC, This is my concern exactly, that they will not stay tight over an extended period of time. These connectors depend on internal spring tension to hold the wire in, exactly like the back stabs on a switch or receptacle. We all know that springs lose their tension over time and in these situations could lead to a faulty connection which will in turn generate arcing and heat and ultimately causing a failure. I know that they are UL listed, but I think we have all seen parts and equipment that is UL listed and wonder how it ever gained listing. Many people think that UL means Underwriters Laboratory, but after some of the things they throw their stamp on, it seems more like "Uncle Louie" approved it.
 
racerdave3 said:
HSC, This is my concern exactly, that they will not stay tight over an extended period of time. These connectors depend on internal spring tension to hold the wire in, exactly like the back stabs on a switch or receptacle.
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This is where you're mistaken. They are not the same as back-stab receptacles.
 
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