Wire connectors

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What I don't get is everyone used to give me grief for stabing outlets for years but all of a sudden everyone wants to use the new stab in connectors and I understand that they are coming in the recessed cans now too.
 
andycook said:
We use them for residential almost exclusively. In three years, I haven't had a call-back yet.
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Yeah, but how are they when it comes to installing them?

I looked at the photo and they look too big to fit in a single gang box :)

But seriously, when it comes to shoving everything back into the box, how are they? Do they come in smaller sizes, like for connecting just three conductors? It's hard to tell from the image how large they are relative to a wirenut ...
 
WAGO's....the company I work for seems to love the crap out of these. They like to use them in pre-fab and in all the high rises. I don't mind in lighting circuits where I've got a known load downstream of them, but I don't like to use them on rcpt circuits. I do carry them on my service van, but I use Tans almost exclusively.
 
tallgirl said:
Yeah, but how are they when it comes to installing them?

I looked at the photo and they look too big to fit in a single gang box :)

But seriously, when it comes to shoving everything back into the box, how are they? Do they come in smaller sizes, like for connecting just three conductors? It's hard to tell from the image how large they are relative to a wirenut ...
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They take up the same amount of space as a wire nut.

There are 2, 3, 4 and 8 wire available.
 
Jim W in Tampa said:
Stabing didnt work first time why should we trust it again ?
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I haven't been in this trade for as many years as most of you but I can say this, I don't know how many times I've open a box and the wire nuts pop right off. Just like anything, if not used correctly, you will have problems. Bottom line.
 
Jim W in Tampa said:
Stabing didnt work first time why should we trust it again ?
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Because this is not stabing like in receptacles.

Please look at the method of contact with the conductor not just the method in which the conductor enters the connector. This is the link to WAGO. This is why UL lists variations of these connectors to use with almost any conductor not just solid #14.
 
jim dungar said:
Because this is not stabing like in receptacles.

Please look at the method of contact with the conductor not just the method in which the conductor enters the connector. This is the link to WAGO. This is why UL lists variations of these connectors to use with almost any conductor not just solid #14.
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We were told similar stories when the back stab receptacles came out too.Now there are millions of homeowners picking up the repair cost.Same as the aluminum wire story.Sorry but no sale here and would not want them in my house if they were free.I twist mine with klines then wire nut.Slower but my method has worked for many years.
 
I've seen them in can lights too, just finishing up a house that has approx 90 cans and all had these connectors.

At first I liked them, but after a hour or two I didn't. The HO installed his own trim, the eyeball type, and I had to take apart one of the cans and found he'd pulled too hard on the wires....neutral came right out of the connector, so I'm not sold on them yet.
 
Jim W in Tampa said:
We were told similar stories when the back stab receptacles came out too.Now there are millions of homeowners picking up the repair cost.Same as the aluminum wire story.Sorry but no sale here and would not want them in my house if they were free.I twist mine with klines then wire nut.Slower but my method has worked for many years.
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Way back when, wire nuts & twisting were new and the old timers laughed and said "solder and tape is the only way to insure a splice". Like anything else this is evolutionary. I didn't like 'em at 1st but after trying them here & there they seem to be a pretty good product. Wago and Ideal both make 'em and I'm sure others do too.
 
cowboyjwc said:
What I don't get is everyone used to give me grief for stabing outlets for years but all of a sudden everyone wants to use the new stab in connectors and I understand that they are coming in the recessed cans now too.
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Yes they do come in recessed cans,but the initial installer has to actually pull on the connectors to insure that the factory wiring hasn`t come undone when the lighting branch circuit was tied in.I`ve lost count of the amount of faulty connections I`ve found in which the factory connection to the recessed can came undone but down stream cans were fine.Since we get power on after a final and the home is all cleaned up.It is a hard nut to crack opening up a recessed can and blown in insulation falls everywhere just to find a connector in the can has the factory wiring just sitting there out of the connector.
I`ll stick with wire nuts and this from someone that when I started in this trade was taught how to splice and solder and tape a connection !!!!!
 
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