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acid75070

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I have a 4 inch pvc conduit that is underground going to a tran socket which then goes to a 400-amp disconnect that is fused at 400-amps. They are showing me on the drawings to pull 2 sets of 4-3/0 in the same conduit do you have to derate them as per 310-15 and if so what would you pull in that conduit. The voltage is 480/277 3 phase 4 wire service.
 

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You do need to derate so you have to see the cost difference between pulling 2 sets of 3/0 ,or possibly 4/0 if you have to derate , and pulling 500 MCM's if your load is under 380amps.

Depending if your neutral is considered a current carrying conductor you would have to derate either 70 or 80%.

Check art. 310.15(B)(4) for the neutral conductor info.
 

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acid75070 said:
I have a 4 inch pvc conduit that is underground going to a tran socket which then goes to a 400-amp disconnect that is fused at 400-amps. They are showing me on the drawings to pull 2 sets of 4-3/0 in the same conduit do you have to derate them as per 310-15 and if so what would you pull in that conduit. The voltage is 480/277 3 phase 4 wire service.

8 250's would fit and give you 406A after derating.

What do you mean by tran socket?
 

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Who is they? Didn't they know that they designed something less than 400 amps?
Thats why I asked what a tran socket is. 400A to a 400A meter base? Its rated for 320 continious?

This sounds like CT's should be considered.

Ask the PE for plan B.;)
 

acid75070

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acid75070 said:
I have a 4 inch pvc conduit that is underground going to a tran socket which then goes to a 400-amp disconnect that is fused at 400-amps. They are showing me on the drawings to pull 2 sets of 4-3/0 in the same conduit do you have to derate them as per 310-15 and if so what would you pull in that conduit. The voltage is 480/277 3 phase 4 wire service.
OK they are coming from the secondary side of the transformer to the meter base from the meter base to a 400-amp 3 phase 4 wire fused disconnect and the disconnect has 400 amp fuses in it.
 
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