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Mr. Home Inspector again just trying to pick your collective brains. 1940's home with rehab circa 2001. Saw this wiring connection in the attic - I am concern with the respect to all of the bare grounding wires on the outside of the junction box. Am I correct that this is a concern?

Thanks in advance.
Tony Shupenko
 
Don't know why their out of the box?
They should be inside the box, with the circuit conductors, and fastened to the box properly.
 
I can't see too good, but I can't see the violation.

The EGC is permitted to run seperately from the conductors in the circuit in some circumstances, old work with no prior EGC is among them.

See 250.130 (C).

It looks like the EGC I can see is going into a box with one of the romex, which would technically be a violation. But I don't think that would damage the romex, and is not a big deal IMO.

I'm not quite sure what all the insulation comments are concerned about?
 
This looks like to me that there are no violations. But I am not a code Guru here either. But I can say that in some cases. If the box was straight with the joists, the mc cable strapped in a neat manner, the romex stapled in a neat manner all perpindicular with the joists. This box would probably pass in most cases because it would look like the person that installed it knew what they were doing. Just from the workmanlike manner it was installed.

Seems like on alot of the projects we do we try to make the work look well crafted and it reflects back on the inspectors. They usually do not really look that hard because they can tell from what they see we are installing it correct.

Alot of times if you install it nice and neat it brings back repeat customers even with a higher price than some other contractors.
 
It is probably safer having the ground wire exposed in a rarely accessed area than to have no ground wire at all. We don't even know what the ground wire is for.

I am not overjoyed with the unsupported and crooked box, but it probably does not present a serious hazard.

If this is the worst electrical problem the house has, it is in pretty good shape.
 
petersonra said:
It is probably safer having the ground wire exposed in a rarely accessed area than to have no ground wire at all. We don't even know what the ground wire is for.

I am not overjoyed with the unsupported and crooked box, but it probably does not present a serious hazard.

If this is the worst electrical problem the house has, it is in pretty good shape.
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Me too.
Where is the hazard?
From all of the junk laying around the box it's pretty evident that it's been reworked.
If all the boxes in old houses looked this good, I'd be out of work.
I'm like George, I can't see too good, so someone will have to point it out to me.
steve
 
Why is the wire nut on the outside of the box?
There is a metal flex that seems to be cut and lying under the NM cable. I can?t see where it ends and it doesn?t seem to enter the joist any where. It is to close to the edge of the ? board to turn down.
Why is the ? board there?
Let?s worry about more important things than the grounding conductors.
 
hillbilly said:
Me too.
Where is the hazard?
From all of the junk laying around the box it's pretty evident that it's been reworked.
If all the boxes in old houses looked this good, I'd be out of work.
I'm like George, I can't see too good, so someone will have to point it out to me.
steve
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I can't see too good also and I don't smell very good either!!

Bob on the left coast.
 
I saved the picture to my computer and zoomed in on it. The best I can tell, it appears that the bare wire (possibly an equipment ground?) from one of the NM cables is wrapped around the bx. If this is actually the case then you absolutely do have a code violation. Also securing of the box and cables. It does appear that there are box connectors for the respective wiring methods used.

Pete
 
tonype said:
Mr. Home Inspector again just trying to pick your collective brains. 1940's home with rehab circa 2001. Saw this wiring connection in the attic - I am concern with the respect to all of the bare grounding wires on the outside of the junction box. Am I correct that this is a concern?

Thanks in advance.
Tony Shupenko
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Not the way I would have re-worked it.
Out of curiosity,did you open the box to see if it was grounded?The only thing I can see wrong with this, is the work was done by a lazy helper or entry level tech that isn't consiensious about his/her customer or his/her workmanship.If whoever re-worked this is in buisness,I suppose they won't be for much longer..
 
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