From the reading I've done this is a gray area, but would really appreciate input. Have a job where a person installed several hundred feet of RMC and utilized (not sure why) at several locations short nipples in the middle of his runs. In some places within a 10lf distance he has installed coupling/ factory 90/ coupling/ nipple/ coupling/ nipple/ coupling/ full stick/ coupling/ nipple/ coupling etc. Nipples very from 4"-12". Should I or better yet can I reject the work under poor workmanship? Requirements basically state comply w/ applicable NEC. Again I appreciate any responses.
Workmanship Article 110.12
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Sounds like he was not capable of or unwilling to thread his own pipe sections.
It sounds pretty shoddy to me, but I doubt that there is any explicit NEC violation there.
Others may have other opinions.
It sounds pretty shoddy to me, but I doubt that there is any explicit NEC violation there.
Others may have other opinions.
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Thanks GoldDigger,
Agree, shoddy is the perfect word for this.
Would appreciate others input!
Workmanship
Thanks GoldDigger,
Agree, shoddy is the perfect word for this.
Would appreciate others input!
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One more comment:
Whether or not it complies with the workmanship standard of the NEC is the responsibility of the local AHJ that has adopted the Code, not you.
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Whether or not it complies with the workmanship standard of the NEC is the responsibility of the local AHJ that has adopted the Code, not you.
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There is no NEC limit to the number of threaded nipples used in a run of RMC. Sometimes even ugly is code compliant. :roll:
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Even the NEC Style Manual says that the term "neat and workmanlike" is vague and possibly unenforceable. I don't see any reason to reject that installation based on a code rule, and it is my opinion that neat and workmanlike should never be cited for anything. If you can't find an actual violation of a specific code rule, then don't cite it.
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Your stuck with it.
Your stuck with it.
See this before, your stuck with it.
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Your stuck with it.
See this before, your stuck with it.
Cowboy
petersonra
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It looks a little odd to professional electricians but is code compliant and safe and few people outside the trade would even notice.
I actually saw something similar done in a car plant once where one contractor was being paid to run the conduit from one area and a second from another area. A third contractor was actually doing the wire pulls. Really a bizarre setup but apparently it was some kind of union thing. Of course the guys setting the conduit in place stopped just on the inside of the walkway that was the demarcation point so there was about a 2 foot space between them. We are not talking a few places. We are talking dozens, maybe hundreds of them.
I think the plant ended up paying the contractor that was running the wires to add the conduit that was missing. few of the conduits lined up at all so there was a lot of odd looking bends, unions, and assorted fittings. personally i think I would have gotten a big j box and installed it in the space between the conduits, but they were paid to use conduit so they did.
I actually saw something similar done in a car plant once where one contractor was being paid to run the conduit from one area and a second from another area. A third contractor was actually doing the wire pulls. Really a bizarre setup but apparently it was some kind of union thing. Of course the guys setting the conduit in place stopped just on the inside of the walkway that was the demarcation point so there was about a 2 foot space between them. We are not talking a few places. We are talking dozens, maybe hundreds of them.
I think the plant ended up paying the contractor that was running the wires to add the conduit that was missing. few of the conduits lined up at all so there was a lot of odd looking bends, unions, and assorted fittings. personally i think I would have gotten a big j box and installed it in the space between the conduits, but they were paid to use conduit so they did.
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If that is the quality of his workmanship, I would be more concerned about other things he may have done wrong that may not be as visible and yet could pose a risk down the road.
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All, Thanks for the replies. This work was provided at a location where professional and quality work is a standard. I oversee and accept work for customers and feel obligated to provide them what they pay for. This situation was actually brought to my attention my others; not something I caught during my inspection. I certainly don't have it out for this guy and want to be and will be 100% fair. In the future we will definitely have a workmanship clause in contracts. Again I really appreciate everyone response.
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All, Thanks for the replies. This work was provided at a location where professional and quality work is a standard. I oversee and accept work for customers and feel obligated to provide them what they pay for. This situation was actually brought to my attention my others; not something I caught during my inspection. I certainly don't have it out for this guy and want to be and will be 100% fair. In the future we will definitely have a workmanship clause in contracts. Again I really appreciate everyone response.
Workmanship clauses are open to interpretation.
Would be better to put stipulations on the installations practices themselves if you have the authority to do so.
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Workmanship issues like that should be up to the owner to accept or reject. Is there any significant increased risk of safety that comes from this? I really doubt it. What if they put a junction box every few feet, but never spliced, tapped, or landed conductors on any devices in any of those boxes? Might look strange and likely cost more then just full sticks of raceway with necessary couplings used in the run, but still likely doesn't introduce any increased risk of safety.
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