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Jerseydaze

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I have a customer who is moving the new buyers had a home inspection and the home inspector said that the main panel (SDQO) has tandem breakers and this is dangerous.The panel has 5 tandem breakers on mostly general use branch circuits.My Question is what is the right thing to recommend to the HO.Oh and by the way the Home Inspector missed two SP Breakers joined by a wire to form a two pole .
 
Jerseydaze said:
I have a customer who is moving the new buyers had a home inspection and the home inspector said that the main panel (SDQO) has tandem breakers and this is dangerous.The panel has 5 tandem breakers on mostly general use branch circuits.My Question is what is the right thing to recommend to the HO.Oh and by the way the Home Inspector missed two SP Breakers joined by a wire to form a two pole .

If the panel is designed to handle twin breakers (QOT style) then there is no problem. Check the catalog number of the panel, the wiring diagram inside the panel, or the directory on the cover.

The "home made" handle tie may have been acceptable to the AHJ as long as it was not being used to feed a 240V load, so again there may be no problem.
 
If the panel is listed for tandems and is not overloaded he does not have an argument. You can ask him for a code reference.

But I'm sure he is just stating an opinion. I don't think home inspectors should state an opinion. They should stick to the facts. It's almost like they've become a bargaining chip for buyers.

You could show the HO that the panel is listed for tandems and that their panel is not overloaded.

Tim
 
"SP Breakers joined by a wire to form a two pole ."


Can you explain just what was done with the breakers?

And are any of the circuiits. in question multiwire circuits?
 
Jerseydaze said:
the home inspector said that the main panel (SDQO) has tandem breakers and this is dangerous.The panel has 5 tandem breakers on mostly general use branch circuits.My Question is what is the right thing to recommend to the HO.

Most of the time a Home Inspector will accept a letter (invoice) from a licensed electrician stating that the panel has been checked and is not dangerous. It's up to you to make sure there is nothing wrong and then to state this in writing.

What is the total number of breakers in the panel? If it's over 42 then you will have a problem. If it's more than the panel was designed for then you have a problem.

Edit: count a tandem as two breakers even though it only takes one space.
 
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Jerseydaze said:
I have a customer who is moving the new buyers had a home inspection and the home inspector said that the main panel (SDQO) has tandem breakers and this is dangerous.The panel has 5 tandem breakers on mostly general use branch circuits.My Question is what is the right thing to recommend to the HO.Oh and by the way the Home Inspector missed two SP Breakers joined by a wire to form a two pole .


Pinup a "panel inspection report" of your own, on company letterhead, next to the panel, and send a copy to the home "inspector." Indicate the address and the panel and it's location on the report, include the phrase "Panel is code compliant and without defect."

On a side note, my friends brother does home inspections part time, and I've done work for him in the past. He does not have the first clue about any building codes or the NEC. He "learned" the inspection "business" (not trade) from a book and a "moneymaking program." A lally column could be missing from the basement and he wouldn't catch it. According to him, the value of a home inspection IS to give a buyer ammo, and the only real skill required is common sense coupled with the perception that it's from a disinterested 3rd party.

A full panel = overloaded.
A 100a service = a antiquitated service size (regardless of sq. ft, or use of gas appliances)
A couple of tandem breakers = overloaded even if 1/2 the panel is empty.
(But every breaker 1/2 size (GE) is OK.)
He thinks all 4" gutters and leaders are undersized.
He thinks all exterior walls should be covered with heating baseboard, corner to corner.
He "estimates" boiler efficiency.
1 1/4" water meters are common these days, used to be 5/8". Any home with a 5/8 (EVERY home that isn't brand new) has an undersized water supply.

All of his reports particulars are spit out of a word processer as pre-written, stored commentary, and most reports read exactly the same.

In short, I'd give a McDonald's fry cooks opinion more weight than his.
 
Tell him to get on a plane and travel to Las Vegas or Southern California, and open up some panels. They are filled with nothing but tandem breakers. Hundreds of thousands of panels filled with millions of tandem breakers!! The horror of it all. ;)
 
SmithBuilt said:
If the panel is listed for tandems and is not overloaded he does not have an argument. You can ask him for a code reference.

But I'm sure he is just stating an opinion. I don't think home inspectors should state an opinion. They should stick to the facts. It's almost like they've become a bargaining chip for buyers.

You could show the HO that the panel is listed for tandems and that their panel is not overloaded.

Tim

Actually, you hire a home inspector for his opinion. My BIL has been a home inspector for 15 years. He does not inspect for code violations. He is not performing a code inspection. If he feels there is an electrical deficiency he notes it, and recommends consulting a qualified electrician. If all the HI's would make that clear, we'd all have a lot fewer headaches.
 
480sparky said:
Take a 30-space, 40-circuit panel and install 35 circuits. 25 full-size breakers and 5 tandems.
I'd call that 10 tandem circuits. Tom-AY-to vs. Tom-AH-to.
 
boboelectric said:
Can anyone explain why you would use a G.E. 200 amp M.B.panel,20 circuit,using 1/2 size breakers to get 40 circuits???

Because you can?

My guess is the original installer just needed 20 spaces, so he saved enough money to buy lunch that day and got a 20-space panel. Then he, or someone else, later found out there needed to be 40 circuits.
 
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