Wye, or star vs Delta

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I have mistakenly ordered a Wye-Wye, 4,160V transformer for a new chiller installation. (Chiller = one motor, no neutral required) I think I remember from my early years when I studied this that the Delta-Delta is the preferred voltage configuration for this application.
What kind of problems will I encounter?
 
I have mistakenly ordered a Wye-Wye, 4,160V transformer for a new chiller installation. (Chiller = one motor, no neutral required) I think I remember from my early years when I studied this that the Delta-Delta is the preferred voltage configuration for this application.
What kind of problems will I encounter?
Mostly here (UK) we use Delta primary and star secondary.
Do you have a neutral conductor to connect to the primary ?
 
what would happen if the primary was fed with the three phases and the wye point was left floating?
It would work fine for steady state conditions.
The primary side neutral point might shift a bit during fault conditions, but for the most part it would behave similar to a wye connected motor.
 
Imagine that you had a perfect single phase transformer. (Primary voltage : secondary voltage ) = (secondary current: primary current) = (turns ratio)

Now take three of these transformers and connect them in a bank as your wye:wye transformer with no primary neutral connection.

For any line to line load, current flows through two legs of the secondary, matched by current flowing on two legs of the primary, no problem. The neutral potential might shift, but the load is not connected to the neutral, so all is well.

Instead consider a line to neutral load on the secondary. Current flowing through one secondary coil has to match current flowing through one primary coil. The other secondary coils have no current flow, so the other primaries have no current flow. But you have a _wye_ primary. Current must at a minimum flow through two primary coils in series. Something has to give, in this case your line-neutral voltage.

What does this matter given a pure three phase load? Only grounding. With a wye:wye transformer and no primary neutral, your secondary neutral can't be used for loads nor for grounding.

There are exceptions to this. For example if you have a three leg core (all three phases wound on three legs of a single steel transformer core) then coupling between phases can make a wye:wye work well enough for grounding. Or a delta 'tertiary' winding can provide the necessary coupling between phases.

Search for the GE manual 'The whys of the wyes' for far more details.

Hope this helps.

-Jon
 
Imagine that you had a perfect single phase transformer. (Primary voltage : secondary voltage ) = (secondary current: primary current) = (turns ratio)

Now take three of these transformers and connect them in a bank as your wye:wye transformer with no primary neutral connection.

For any line to line load, current flows through two legs of the secondary, matched by current flowing on two legs of the primary, no problem. The neutral potential might shift, but the load is not connected to the neutral, so all is well.

Instead consider a line to neutral load on the secondary. Current flowing through one secondary coil has to match current flowing through one primary coil. The other secondary coils have no current flow, so the other primaries have no current flow. But you have a _wye_ primary. Current must at a minimum flow through two primary coils in series. Something has to give, in this case your line-neutral voltage.

What does this matter given a pure three phase load? Only grounding. With a wye:wye transformer and no primary neutral, your secondary neutral can't be used for loads nor for grounding.

There are exceptions to this. For example if you have a three leg core (all three phases wound on three legs of a single steel transformer core) then coupling between phases can make a wye:wye work well enough for grounding. Or a delta 'tertiary' winding can provide the necessary coupling between phases.

Search for the GE manual 'The whys of the wyes' for far more details.

Hope this helps.

-Jon

Great explanation, thanks.
 
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