You think the NEC is tough?

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Then check out what I am trying to decipher, it makes the NEC seem like childs play.

I am installing a grid tied solar system, here is just one line from a 100 page power company document that I need to understand.

If the Interconnecting Customer is not the Customer, an Agreement between the Company and the Company?s Customer must be signed and included as an attachment to the Interconnection Service Agreement; a form of this agreement is attached as Exhibit G.
 
iwire said:
Then check out what I am trying to decipher, it makes the NEC seem like childs play.

I am installing a grid tied solar system, here is just one line from a 100 page power company document that I need to understand.

Sounds like they are saying they need a copy of the agreement between the solar company and their customer.
 
Dennis Alwon said:
Sounds like they are saying they need a copy of the agreement between the solar company and their customer.

Not quite.

'Fred' owns a building and pays the electrical bill.

That makes Fred the "Company?s Customer"

Now 'Cindy' comes along and wants to finance, install and own a solar array on Fred's building.

That makes Cindy the "Interconnecting Customer"

This is a common arraignment for commercial solar installations. 'Cindy' would really be an investment group with deep pockets.
 
I removed a bunch of off topic posts.

Folks I am getting tired of getting crap every time I make a move. I was fine with letting the OT posts have some fun on a Friday night, no problem.

Then one post was mildly sexiest so I pulled that before we really got off track and figured we could continue having some fun. But then I get the regulars all chiming in about why this and why that like a bunch of busy bodies.

Folks, if you have questions about why I have done something fine, send a PM and I will discusses it with you.
 
It all leagalease.

It's like a contract that says "the party of the first part blah, blah, blah to the party of the second part" by the time you are done reading the whole thing you don't even remember your own name.

Joe
 
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iwire said:
But then I get the regulars all chiming in about why this and why that like a bunch of busy bodies.
Bob, my comment about "this is on topic?" was very much intended as humor. I guess I should have added a :grin: or two.

You should know me well enough to realize that I never have a problem with OT remarks. In fact, I have been restraining myself.

Imagine what would happen if I hadn't been!

Oh, yeah: :grin:



Added: Maybe I should have PM'ed this instead?
 
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joebell said:
" by the time you are done reading the whole thing you don't even remember your own name.

Joe


I was blurry eyed by page 10 and the first 4 pages where just definitions.:grin:
 
iwire said:
:grin:

I think you know what I am saying. :)
I think so, too. I was neither criticizing the choice of posts to delete nor to remain. I just thought it was funny to see an OT follow a deleted OT.

I was kinda curious about what must have been in the ones chosen to delete, but it's none of my business.

Honestly, when I see you or other Mod Squad members post OT comments, I think to myself "Hey, they're human, too!" :grin:

Then I think "How come they can make OT's and we can't?" :mad:


Not really. ;)
 
LarryFine said:
Honestly, when I see you or other Mod Squad members post OT comments, I think to myself "Hey, they're human, too!" :grin:

Of course we are, every member here makes OT comments. We don't remove even 1% of the OT comments and that is all fine.:smile:

Given that, when anyone does see post removed for being OT, why not assume there is a reason or send the Mod that deleted the post a PM?
 
Isn't this a situation to understand whom to bill ?
OR is it ?
There's now a added financal charge from your company now since, you'll really setting up a Broker Deal for their solar ? :D
 
cadpoint said:
Isn't this a situation to understand whom to bill ?

Yes and who to blame if the inverter and the power it supplies back to the grid harms the power company's equipment.

Is there a added financal charge from your company now since, you'll really setting up a Broker Deal for their solar ? :D

I don't know about an added charge but IMO you are correct about brokering a deal.
 
iwire said:
Then check out what I am trying to decipher, it makes the NEC seem like childs play.

I am installing a grid tied solar system, here is just one line from a 100 page power company document that I need to understand.

I'd like to hear more about a grid tied solar system. Sounds interesting. Know of any web sites on it?
Thanks
 
iwire said:
Folks I am getting tired of getting crap every time I make a move.

Do you need a hug Bob?

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I just stumbled on this by mistake, after clicking "Todays Posts"

Our PV project Mgr. did describe industry standard examples, and breakdowns of agreement types available somewhere online. I haven't needed to study this yet.

Would life be easier if you got on the phone for a Q&A walk thru? Is there a phone number somewhere on the documents?
 
ramsy said:
Would life be easier if you got on the phone for a Q&A walk thru? Is there a phone number somewhere on the documents?

I already called, the basic additude was 'Why are you bothering me before you have filled out the several page application?'

But not to worry, if I goof up the application they have to tell me within 10 days.:roll:


3.4 Time Frames

Unless otherwise noted, all days in the Interconnection Tariff reference Company business days under normal work conditions.
Table 1 lays out the maximum timeframes allowed under the Simplified, Expedited, and Standard Review processes. The maximum time allowed for the Company to execute the entire Simplified Process is 15 days. The maximum time allowed for the Company to execute the entire Expedited Process on a radial system is 40 days where no Supplemental Review is needed and 60 days where it is needed. The maximum time allowed for the Company to execute the entire Standard Process is 125 days for the Standard Review Process if the Customer goes directly to Standard Review and 150 days if the Customer goes from the Expedited Process into Standard Review. For Customers qualifying for the Simplified Process on a spot network, the maximum time is 40 days if load data is available and 100 days if it is not. The Company clock is stopped when awaiting information from Customers. Any delays caused by Customer will interrupt the applicable clock. Moreover, if an Interconnecting Customer fails to act expeditiously to continue the interconnection process or delays the process by failing to provide necessary information within the longer of 15 days or half the time allotted to the Company to perform a given step, or as extended by mutual agreement, then the Company may terminate the application and the Interconnecting Customer must re-apply. However, the Company will be required to retain the work previously performed in order to reduce the initial and Supplemental Review costs incurred for a period of no less than 1 year. If the Interconnecting Customer does not initiate construction within twelve (12) months of signing the Interconnection Agreement, the Company may require the customer to provide evidence that the project is moving toward construction. In the event that the Customer cannot provide such evidence, the Company reserves the right to require additional study or require the Customer to reapply for interconnection. Situations that could trigger enforcement of this time limit are: (1) material changes on the distribution circuits (e.g., load changes, circuit reconfiguration) or (2) a second application for interconnection received by the Company on a circuit from the same substation. The same rights of the Company to require the customer to reapply for interconnection pertains if the interconnecting customer, after initiating construction, does not complete construction within twenty-four months. Notwithstanding these maximum time frames, the Company shall endeavor to meet the Customer?s needs.
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