Legal or no?

[mcclary's electrical]

Unfinished basement being finished into bedrooms. The bell xfrmr was on top of a keyless. We removed ceiling box and putting in recessed cans. Would you consider the xfmr accessible mounted on top of the can junction box, through 1/2" ko? Would you be able to change the xfmr and terminate those wires, through the 6" hole in the future?

 

[Dennis Alwon]

I would say it is accessible but no one would ever find it. NEC doesn't care about that, I guess

 

[mcclary's electrical]

I would say it is accessible but no one would ever find it. NEC doesn't care about that, I guess

You could certainly find it with a toner, or my Greenlee tracer.IMO

 

[roger]

I would say it is accessible but no one would ever find it. NEC doesn't care about that, I guess

You could post the location in the panel.

Roger

 

[Dennis Alwon]

You could post the location in the panel.

Roger

You could if someone were to think to look there. If it were a newer home I would not think about going to the panel. On an older home where the tranys were often installed inside or on the panels there would be a chance to find it.

Anyway I believe we are all saying it is code compliant. If I had to do it I would probably do the same.

 

[roger]

You could if someone were to think to look there.

Are you saying you would be working on the circuit live?

Odds are that a service man would most likely visit the panel at some time during a service call don't you think? :roll:

Roger

 

[mcclary's electrical]

You could if someone were to think to look there. If it were a newer home I would not think about going to the panel. On an older home where the tranys were often installed inside or on the panels there would be a chance to find it.

Anyway I believe we are all saying it is code compliant. If I had to do it I would probably do the same.

It would be fairly easy to rework the LV wire, I was just curious of how others would do it. I agree with you

 

[qcroanoke]

It would be fairly easy to rework the LV wire, I was just curious of how others would do it. I agree with you

If I could not find the xfmr I would try to sell the customer a wireless doorbell.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

Are you saying you would be working on the circuit live?

Odds are that a service man would most likely visit the panel at some time during a service call don't you think? :roll:

Roger

Roger I would be physically looking for the trany so there would be no reason to kill the circuit. How would I know if the circuit was off anyway unless I killed the entire home.

I am assuming I would be looking for the trany because the system isn't working-- possible bad trany.

 

[LarryFine]

Obviously, the doorbell won't work with the lights off unless you run a hot feed to it, so you'd only be using the J-box as, well, a J-box.

I would extend the bell wiring and relocate the transformer to an unfinished area, or at least on a box or a box cover in a nearby closet.

 

[roger]

Roger I would be physically looking for the trany so there would be no reason to kill the circuit. How would I know if the circuit was off anyway unless I killed the entire home.

I am assuming I would be looking for the trany because the system isn't working-- possible bad trany.

You're mising the point Dennis and maybe you do service calls differently than I would, I always locate and look at the panel even if I do not turn anything off.

In your case I guess it would be better to put a label on the front door. :roll:

Roger

 

[mcclary's electrical]

You're mising the point Dennis and maybe you do service calls differently than I would, I always locate and look at the panel even if I do not turn anything off.

In your case I guess it would be better to put a label on the front door. :roll:

Roger

:grin::grin:

 

[mcclary's electrical]

Obviously, the doorbell won't work with the lights off unless you run a hot feed to it, so you'd only be using the J-box as, well, a J-box.

I would extend the bell wiring and relocate the transformer to an unfinished area, or at least on a box or a box cover in a nearby closet.

The light box was fed with a 14/3. One leg was hot all the time. The light did not affect the function of the bell

 

[iwire]

The light box was fed with a 14/3. One leg was hot all the time. The light did not affect the function of the bell

I say rig it so every time they turn the light on the door bell rings .... gotta have some fun at work.

 

[rodneee]

daniel webster....rolling in his grave

daniel webster....rolling in his grave

i would say you are stretching the definition of "accessible". i vote for extend and relocate.

 

[macmikeman]

I say it would be code ok as long as the bell transformer does not exceed 50 kva.....

 

[One-eyed Jack]

I say it would be code ok as long as the bell transformer does not exceed 50 kva.....

Planning to ring a really big bell.:grin:

 

[qcroanoke]

Planning to ring a really big bell.:grin:

50 kva could knock the chimes off the wall!