Duplex Garage wiring

[James L]

so he does not see the new circuit in his panel???

He may or may not.
Could be the place isn't even occupied right now.
Either way, by the next tenant nobody knows.

Even if they know and ask, you could literally open and close the door 6 times a day for a whole month before you'd use one kilowatt hour and cost a whopping 20 cents.

Split in half would be 10 cents a month to open and close 3 times a day.

 

[LarryFine]

What happens when there is no tenant in the unit, or he fails to pay the bill?

 

[LarryFine]

Split in half would be 10 cents a month to open and close 3 times a day.

I've heard it said that, "If it's 'only 10 cents', then let it be the other guy's 'only 10 cents'."

 

[James L]

What happens when there is no tenant in the unit, or he fails to pay the bill?

Around here it would go back to the owner

 

[don_resqcapt19]

He may or may not.
Could be the place isn't even occupied right now.
Either way, by the next tenant nobody knows.

Even if they know and ask, you could literally open and close the door 6 times a day for a whole month before you'd use one kilowatt hour and cost a whopping 20 cents.

Split in half would be 10 cents a month to open and close 3 times a day.

even if it is 1 cent a year, I would object...

 

[hbiss]

I starts with the openers. Then they want lighting, then receptacles. All on one guys meter. Isn't there a law forbidding common areas on a tenant's meter?

-Hal

 

[James L]

I starts with the openers. Then they want lighting, then receptacles. All on one guys meter. Isn't there a law forbidding common areas on a tenant's meter?

-Hal

A law would be subject to each governing authority.

Around here it's very common to have an up/down duplex with basement wired off lower level apartment

 

[LarryFine]

Around here it's very common to have an up/down duplex with basement wired off lower level apartment

I'm gonna tell!

 

[PaulMmn]

I starts with the openers. Then they want lighting, then receptacles. All on one guys meter. Isn't there a law forbidding common areas on a tenant's meter?

-Hal

...and an outlet for the ElectroCar! (I'll go quietly)

 

[packersparky]

I starts with the openers. Then they want lighting, then receptacles. All on one guys meter. Isn't there a law forbidding common areas on a tenant's meter?

-Hal

If both tenants have access to the garage, I would consider that a common area. 210.25(B) would prohibit branch circuits supplying that space to come from and individual tenants equipment.


210.25(B)
Branch circuits installed for lighting, central alarm, signal, communications, or other purposes for public or common areas of a two-family dwelling, a multifamily dwelling, or a multi-occupancy building shall not be supplied from equipment that supplies an individual dwelling unit or tenant space.

 

[retirede]

...and an outlet for the ElectroCar! (I'll go quietly)

Old news. See post 2.

 

[Hv&Lv]

If both tenants have access to the garage, I would consider that a common area. 210.25(B) would prohibit branch circuits supplying that space to come from and individual tenants equipment.


210.25(B)
Branch circuits installed for lighting, central alarm, signal, communications, or other purposes for public or common areas of a two-family dwelling, a multifamily dwelling, or a multi-occupancy building shall not be supplied from equipment that supplies an individual dwelling unit or tenant space.

I would agree this is the correct answer.

 

[hbiss]

210.25(B)

Thank you. I knew I saw it someplace.

-Hal

 

[James L]

Is a detached garage a dwelling?

 

[Hv&Lv]

Is a detached garage a dwelling?

No but it would be considered a common area

 

[Hv&Lv]

There's no reason a tenant needs to know he might be on the hook for 8 cents

He may or may not.
Could be the place isn't even occupied right now.
Either way, by the next tenant nobody knows.

Even if they know and ask, you could literally open and close the door 6 times a day for a whole month before you'd use one kilowatt hour and cost a whopping 20 cents.

Split in half would be 10 cents a month to open and close 3 times a day.

Around here it would go back to the owner

That’s a dishonest and unfair treatment of tenants, plain and simple.
It’s also going to cause issues between tenants and owners.
As far as going back to the owner, I’m quite sure there is no law making an owner pay a tenants unpaid bills.
I own a rental property. I have to have a “landlords agreement” to have the power automatically put in my name when a tenant leaves. Their bill is not my bill.
Our utility also has a similar agreement for this type of dwelling.
What if the owner doesn’t have this agreement and the tenant supplying the garage leaves? Now there is no power to open the garage unless someone puts the power in their name and accepts responsibility for the monthly bill.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

Install a transfer switch with digital read out which will open the garage thru facial recognition of the tenant. The transfer switch will be activated and power from that tenants panel will be used. When the other tenant arrives it switches to that panel power. Of course there will need to be a center off position also.

This is written in jest. Get a house panel that the owner pays for or put it on one panel with the landlord telling the tenant there will be a $20 discount on rent.

 

[James L]

That’s a dishonest and unfair treatment of tenants, plain and simple.
It’s also going to cause issues between tenants and owners.
As far as going back to the owner, I’m quite sure there is no law making an owner pay a tenants unpaid bills.
I own a rental property. I have to have a “landlords agreement” to have the power automatically put in my name when a tenant leaves. Their bill is not my bill.
Our utility also has a similar agreement for this type of dwelling.
What if the owner doesn’t have this agreement and the tenant supplying the garage leaves? Now there is no power to open the garage unless someone puts the power in their name and accepts responsibility for the monthly bill.

You guys with all of your what-ifs

What if the owner decides to have that service upgraded to get a third meter with a house panel and the extra cost makes him add $50 per month to the rent for both sides? I'd rather be on the hook for $0.08

What if the owner has the upgrade done and he's the one paying the bill for the house panel and he forgets to pay it? Then the electricity gets turned off to the house panel and now both sides are out of the garage? Wouldn't that be awesome

What If he has that third panel put in, and the landlord is the only one who has access to it, the breaker trips at night with both tenant cars inside the garage, and the landlord is in Hawaii for 6 weeks? Wouldn't that be awesome If you woke up in the morning and couldn't get your car to go to work

What if the landlord hires some clown with a backhoe to dig a ditch for a pipe, and the guy tears up the corner of the garage and the whole thing falls down? Then the landlord doesn't have the money to put a new garage and now nobody can use one?

You can what if all you want.

 

[retirede]

Just be up front and spell it out in the rental agreement.

 

[don_resqcapt19]

You guys with all of your what-ifs

What if the owner decides to have that service upgraded to get a third meter with a house panel and the extra cost makes him add $50 per month to the rent for both sides? I'd rather be on the hook for $0.08

What if the owner has the upgrade done and he's the one paying the bill for the house panel and he forgets to pay it? Then the electricity gets turned off to the house panel and now both sides are out of the garage? Wouldn't that be awesome

What If he has that third panel put in, and the landlord is the only one who has access to it, the breaker trips at night with both tenant cars inside the garage, and the landlord is in Hawaii for 6 weeks? Wouldn't that be awesome If you woke up in the morning and couldn't get your car to go to work

What if the landlord hires some clown with a backhoe to dig a ditch for a pipe, and the guy tears up the corner of the garage and the whole thing falls down? Then the landlord doesn't have the money to put a new garage and now nobody can use one?

You can what if all you want.

Have never seen a dwelling garage door that could not be opened when the power is off.
I know that if I was the tenant and found such a circuit, that circuit would no longer function.