Failed inspection for two cables in one plastic K/O

[AndyB]

Blue plastic carlon boxes using 14-2 NM. Currently have two wires going into each entry on the side closest to the stud.

Inspector says no more then one wire per hole and cited a local supplementary code in Sacramento county. However I can't find any information in their supplementary code or find a UL listing issue to verify.

http://qcode.us/codes/sacramentocounty/view.php?topic=16-16_28-16_28_100&frames=on

Any help on the subject would be great.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

Well I don't see it either however I bet the installation instructions don't allow, or don't specifically state that the openings are good for 2 cables. He's probably got you on this but, IMO he is being a bit picky.

 

[mcclary's electrical]

It's not on that list, I would ask him why.

 

[cowboyjwc]

I'm going to agree with Dennis on this one, on all counts.

 

[480sparky]

Inspectors are required to give you the specific code violation...... not just "The _____________" code.

 

[AndyB]

Well I don't see it either however I bet the installation instructions don't allow, or don't specifically state that the openings are good for 2 cables. He's probably got you on this but, IMO he is being a bit picky.

He's being very picky he also called using screws inside the box instead of the exterior nails. Couldn't get the hammer in a couple tight spots.

 

[AndyB]

Dos NEC 314.17(c) apply in this case?

 

[480sparky]

He's being very picky he also called using screws inside the box instead of the exterior nails. Couldn't get the hammer in a couple tight spots.

That's what face-nailers are for.

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[AndyB]

That's what face-nailers are for.

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yeah he got me on that one, something we've probably all have done. This is the first time I've ever had an inspector comment on it.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

He's being very picky he also called using screws inside the box instead of the exterior nails. Couldn't get the hammer in a couple tight spots.

Yeah, his correct on that one also.

 

[AndyB]

Yeah, his correct on that one also.

yeah not going to argue that one.

Amazing how each inspector picks up on different things depending on their mood.

 

[cowboyjwc]

yeah he got me on that one, something we've probably all have done. This is the first time I've ever had an inspector comment on it.

Well and as any good inspector will tell you, just because you've never been called on it doesn't make it right.

I actually get more upset at the other inspectors than I do with the contractor when I hear that excuse. I'm starting to find out that I'm not always being lied too.:roll:

The code is the code, the small things are just as important as the big things. Not up to us to pick and choose.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

yeah not going to argue that one.

Amazing how each inspector picks up on different things depending on their mood.

He could be a very knowledgeable guy but goes by the book. Some inspector can get a little nuts with it but that's what they get paid for.

I got nailed on a piece of nm cable in the middle of a 3' high crawl space because I dropped down to the furnace box and I was 13" from the box with a staple. I had to drive 10 miles one way to put a dang board down and staple it within 12 inches. That was the only thing he got me on.

 

[AndyB]

Well and as any good inspector will tell you, just because you've never been called on it doesn't make it right.

I actually get more upset at the other inspectors than I do with the contractor when I hear that excuse. I'm starting to find out that I'm not always being lied too.:roll:

The code is the code, the small things are just as important as the big things. Not up to us to pick and choose.

I'm not saying he's wrong just picky.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

That's what face-nailers are for.

Or these

 

[ceb58]

He could be a very knowledgeable guy but goes by the book. Some inspector can get a little nuts with it but that's what they get paid for.

I got nailed on a piece of nm cable in the middle of a 3' high crawl space because I dropped down to the furnace box and I was 13" from the box with a staple. I had to drive 10 miles one way to put a dang board down and staple it within 12 inches. That was the only thing he got me on.

It is aggravating when you are gigged on something so minor but when it happens to me I think " well he had to find something and if it is that minor then the big stuff is OK"

 

[AndyB]

Just got some further clarification on multiple entries per knock out

Single gang boxes = ok
Multiple gang boxes = not ok

 

[480sparky]

yeah not going to argue that one.

Amazing how each inspector picks up on different things depending on their mood.

I doubt mood has much to do with it. Experience, training and knowledge are more likely the culprits.

 

[AndyB]

It is aggravating when you are gigged on something so minor but when it happens to me I think " well he had to find something and if it is that minor then the big stuff is OK"

Except now the entire project is being held up because I can't get a re inspection until Tuesday because of furlough Friday and a Monday holiday

 

[Ruff-N]

Or these

Everytime I see one of those boxes I have to kick myself and scream why didn't I market the old screw thru the side of the box thing I did for all those years .