Hiring, Prison Record

[kwired]

In most cases we are small mom and pop operations and can not afford to take a chance on a bad hire, that said, we are also small, but I took a chance with a few new hires, that had some alcohol problems, and ended up with some criminal offenses, but on the hire interview, we discovered they were in lifetime recovery programs and never missed getting ongoing help, these are good people trying to get back on track, I thing this post should warn against hiring violent and sex offenders, not those that want to get back on track and are willing to work at it

The drugs and alcohol are a big part of the problem many times. Take those away and many of the crimes go away. People do things while under the influence that they may not otherwise do.

 

[Fulthrotl]

Well like my grandfather used to say, "there are a lot of people that should just be shot, the thing is you need to make sure that you're on the commitee that decides who does and who doesn't.":happyyes:

and failing that, try to avoid standing next to the obvious targets,
which is where this thread seems to go....

one of my litmus tests is what i said earlier... has the person made
DIRECT restitution to the people they have harmed, to the best of
their ability?

behind almost all prison records and other public decrees of shortcomings,
great and small, is a simple fact. the actions, and the consequences
resulting from them, are driven by an enormous amount of selfishness
and self centeredness, doing whatever one wishes at the expense of
those surrounding the situation.

the one wholly true thing about the past, is that it is not now.
however, what is going on now, oftentimes, is a person who is doing
things operating from the same position of selfishness, creating the
same problems over and over, in the present moment.

what i can speak to is my own life. right after my 18th birthday, so i
was an adult, i had a felony arrest, my only arrest ever. i did what
i had to to make it right witht he AHJ, in this case the court system.

however, the selfishness and fear driven beliefs that led to that arrest,
persisted for 10 more years, and almost everyone in contact with me
during that time, paid a price for the interaction. some great, some
small... mostly depends on how close you stood to me at the time.

ultimately, that selfishness almost cost me my life... after some huge
experiences in my life, i was no longer AS selfish, and moved into the
realms of the rest of the human race, better than some, not as good
as others.

almost 30 years passes, and today the process continues. i'm honest
to a level that sometimes raises eyebrows. i've gone back and made
direct restitution to the people i've harmed, where possible.

and there is some damage that to this day remains irreparable from
that ten year period. professionally and personally. trying to right
wrongs from that period has been done, where possible.

you'd think that after thirty years, almost anything could be resolved,
right? not in my experience. and that's ok. i'm not everyone's cup of
tea, and don't have to be.

the point i'm trying to make is that i listen to what someone does, not
what someone says. and if the feet and the mouth match, after a while,
i may trust what the mouth says.

but not when they have only walked across the parking lot, so to speak.
it would not have been in your best interest to have anything to do with
me in the ten years following that felony arrest of mine.

today, it's a bit better. your tools, money, and business reputation will
not dissipate while i'm around.

 

[cowboyjwc]

That was a very honest and open response.

As you can tell by my monicer, I'm a bit of a cowboy, my family has been cowboys for as long as I know. There was a creed in the old west that was basically, "you never asked a man about his past". What is the man doing for me now? If he's working hard and not causing any problems, then as far as I'm concerned he's a good man.

 

[kwired]

Violent criminals I can understand some concern over. There are many non violent criminals, many that never have been convicted of anything either. All of us have done something at some time even if it seemed minor, it was still wrong. Even as kids many of us maybe took a piece of candy from the store without paying for it, or something similar. Does not mean we are bad people in general. The more minor things a person gets away with, the more brave they may get at thinking about something bigger. Dicipline at young ages, and it does not need to be excessive, just needs to be addressed in some cases, for the little things helps learn to respect others through the rest of life.

 

[GUNNING]

I have worked with violent criminals and sociopaths. Did not like it at the time but did see that they had a job that they could perform well and the boss made money. There were some that didn't work out. Nobody was entering anybodies home. You dont send them into Mr Dupont's office or Ms Hiltons bedroom. But you can send them to dig a ditch or run machinery or work on a commercial site. You get embarrassed sometimes. You make money off them given the right tasks for there skill set and qualifications by underpaying them just enough for them to get by and be satisfied with there circumstance.
We had a housewife here that did a hit and run with fatalities. Turned herself in the next day. Nice neighborhood, no priors, she raised kids, hit someone late at night, didn't see them laying in the road. Got 5 years prison time. Employable? I say it was wrong place wrong time. She had the belief in the righteousness of the Justice system. She believed the propaganda that the government is here to help you. Prison business is big business. They are trying to privatize it here to the tune of 2.5 Billion dollars.


The sociopath runs a local towing service. I can see why.

Lex Luther is our Governor.

The woman has another 4 and a half years. Life isn't fair.

"everything the government has it has stolen" ... Nietzsche

 

[George Stolz]

The drugs and alcohol are a big part of the problem many times. Take those away and many of the crimes go away.

Sounds like a great idea...