Unfinished

[resistance]

Hypo:
Lets say you have a home with a basement that is fully rocked (Sheet that is). All rooms have wood flooring accept a 12 foot hall that has a decorative concrete floor (Decorative meaning: They simply made the concrete look nice). Would you consider the hall unfinished--requiring it to have a GFCI protected outlet??? Note: This is not a situation I'm in, just curious

 

[Dennis Alwon]

Hypo:
Lets say you have a home with a basement that is fully rocked (Sheet that is). All rooms have wood flooring accept a 12 foot hall that has a decorative concrete floor (Decorative meaning: They simply made the concrete look nice). Would you consider the hall unfinished--requiring it to have a GFCI protected outlet??? Note: This is not a situation I'm in, just curious

The floor has nothing to do with it being finished. The hall would not need gfci protection since it is finished.

 

[iwire]

IMO the only one that can answer this is the local AHJ.

I personally see it as Dennis but we don't count.

 

[jumper]

What I consider is unimportant, but in a resi app, the inspector here considers any concrete floor as unfinished: GFCI.

 

[construct]

The floor has nothing to do with it being finished. The hall would not need gfci protection since it is finished.

I concur

 

[iwire]

What I consider is unimportant, but in a resi app, the inspector here considers any concrete floor as unfinished: GFCI.

There is a large shopping mall we work at a lot and the local inspector requires GFCI protection for all receptacles on 'unfinished' cement slabs.

If there is no rug or tile we install GFCI protection.

 

[resistance]

Interesting responses. Personally, I don't think we would have a problem getting it passed without GFCI protection. But (with focus on the location of the space), should we consider the concrete floor---seeing that concrete is conductive?

 

[iwire]

The problem I see is there is no clear cut NEC definition of 'finished' leaving it up to the inspector to decide.

 

[resistance]

There is a large shopping mall we work at a lot and the local inspector requires GFCI protection for all receptacles on 'unfinished' cement slabs.

If there is no rug or tile we install GFCI protection.

Exactly where I was going. So, should we say that the floor dictates rather a space is unfinished when it comes to bare floor being in contact with earth?

 

[rcarroll]

What I consider is unimportant, but in a resi app, the inspector here considers any concrete floor as unfinished: GFCI.

How? Unless it's a local amendment, there's nothing in the IRC requiring floor covering:-?

 

[iwire]

Exactly where I was going. So, should we say that the floor dictates rather a space is unfinished when it comes to bare floor being in contact with earth?

In the case of the mall I believe the inspector is going well past actual code requirements. We just do it and pass the cost up the chain to the customer. Not worth fighting it, when this inspector started in the trade he was wiring homes for cavemen. :grin:

 

[iwire]

How? Unless it's a local amendment, there's nothing in the IRC requiring floor covering:-?

I do not see what the IRC has to do with it. The NEC section does not reference it.

 

[rcarroll]

I do not see what the IRC has to do with it. The NEC section does not reference it.

That's my point. If the inspector is a combination inspector, as I am, he is still way off. IMO.
I also agree a GFI recep is not required.

 

[resistance]

in the case of the mall i believe the inspector is going well past actual code requirements. We just do it and pass the cost up the chain to the customer. Not worth fighting it, when this inspector started in the trade he was wiring homes for cavemen. :grin:

lol!! Ic!! :d

 

[infinity]

Are houses built on slabs requiring GFCI protection for every receptacle?

 

[jumper]

How? Unless it's a local amendment, there's nothing in the IRC requiring floor covering:-?

In the case of the mall I believe the inspector is going well past actual code requirements. We just do it and pass the cost up the chain to the customer. Not worth fighting it, when this inspector started in the trade he was wiring homes for cavemen. :grin:

Rcarrol, for the same reason Bob stated.

 

[resistance]

Are houses built on slabs requiring GFCI protection for every receptacle?

Many questions can be raised related to my question. I'm really looking at the the purpose for a GFCI--as it relates to unfinished spaces that are most likely built on slab, with no floor covering (bare floor exposed). And why it's enforced as required for some areas but not others. I used the basement hallway to get around other mandates for a garage.

Interesting to me.

 

[jumper]

Are houses built on slabs requiring GFCI protection for every receptacle?

Nope, just the ones you plug into standing on concrete in a residence around here.

 

[rcarroll]

Are houses built on slabs requiring GFCI protection for every receptacle?

Not in my town.

 

[infinity]

Nope, just the ones you plug into standing on concrete in a residence around here.

Where is that in the NEC?