washer machine

[elohr46]

You have to read your NEC definitions... an outlet is NOT a receptacle.

2005 nec def. receptacle outlet: an outlet where one or more receptacles are installed.

 

[BackInTheHabit]

2005 nec def. receptacle outlet: an outlet where one or more receptacles are installed.

2008 NEC Defintion:

Outlet - A point on the wiring system at which current is taken to supply utilization equipment. (No change since 2005)

Utilization Equipment - Equipment that utilizes electric energy for electronic, electromechanical, chemical, heating, lighting or similar purposes.

 

[BackInTheHabit]

The laundry circuit IS a dedicated circuit.

Sorry, meant to say: The laundry circuit CAN BE a dedicated circuit.

I have run the washer receptacle from a wall receptacle in the laundry room.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

This is the way I read it, at least ONE 20-ampere branch circuit shall be provided to supply the laundry receptacle outlet(s), This circuit shall have no other outlets. I dont see how you can have any thing BUT receptacles on this circuit or anything other than 20 amp receptacle circuits in the laundry room...

Stickboy, if I run a separate 20 amp branch circuit for the washer that satisfies 210.11(C)(2). No other outlets are installed on this circuit. If I add another receptacle from the lighting circuit I don't see how this would negate 210.11.

 

[stickboy1375]

Stickboy, if I run a separate 20 amp branch circuit for the washer that satisfies 210.11(C)(2). No other outlets are installed on this circuit. If I add another receptacle from the lighting circuit I don't see how this would negate 210.11.

I realize this can be argued to death, but bare with me :grin:, The only reason why I feel that all the receptacles need to be 20 amp is the way 210.11(C)(2) is written, right off the bat it is says you need at least one 20 amp circuit, then it says it shall be provided to supply the laundry receptacle outlet(s). So unless you can define a laundry receptacle outlet, I have to say all receptacles in the laundry room fall under 210.11(C)(2). Correct me if i'm wrong.

 

[stickboy1375]

Stickboy, if I run a separate 20 amp branch circuit for the washer that satisfies 210.11(C)(2). No other outlets are installed on this circuit. If I add another receptacle from the lighting circuit I don't see how this would negate 210.11.

One other thing, since when are we providing a receptacle for a washer? We are providing a receptacle for the laundry area.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

One other thing, since when are we providing a receptacle for a washer? We are providing a receptacle for the laundry area.

Maybe that's what you do but I know that the receptacle I put in by the washer box is used for the washing machine....:smile:

it is says you need at least one 20 amp circuit, then it says it shall be provided to supply the laundry receptacle outlet(s).

No it says it shall provide the laundry receptacle outlet(s) required by 210.52(F)

(F) Laundry Areas. In dwelling units, at least one receptacle outlet shall be installed for the laundry.

 

[stickboy1375]

No it says it shall provide the laundry receptacle outlet(s) required by 210.52(F)

I agree, you do need at least ONE, But when we go back to 210.11(C)(2) it clearly says at least one 20amp circuit shall supply the laundry receptacle outlet(s)

what am I missing? Why is outlet(s) plural?

 

[Dennis Alwon]

I agree, you do need at least ONE, But when we go back to 210.11(C)(2) it clearly says at least one 20amp circuit shall supply the laundry receptacle outlet(s)

what am I missing?

I believe that is saying that you can more than one on the circuit for the laundry recep. It does not say that all recep. in the laundry must be on that laundry circuit.

 

[stickboy1375]

I believe that is saying that you can more than one on the circuit for the laundry recep. It does not say that all recep. in the laundry must be on that laundry circuit.

yeah... tuff one, I understand completely how your reading it, because thats usually how I read it as well. Tonight i'm just having a tough time getting over the "supply the laundry receptacle outlet(s)" part... :grin:

 

[electricmanscott]

I have no interest in beating this into the ground so i'll just say I agree with the Stickboy interpretation.

 

[busman]

I agree with stickboy. I would guess that the intention is that no matter where you are in the laundry area, if you plug something in, it will be on a 20A. I see it as very similar to the rationale for 20A in kitchen, dining room, etc.

Mark