Help ASAP Splitting Wire for 2 Terminals

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i dont know if you ordered the wire yet but can you get 2 sets of 3/0 in the same conduit you were going to pull the 500's in? parrelled 3/0 may even be cheaper?
 
Twoskinsoneman said:
In my humble opinion, iwire 110.3(B) is pretty weak...
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Well ..... your weak too. :D


I really don't understand why you think 110.3(B) is 'weak' here.

The conductors are listed and they have cut sheets that describe the make up of those conductors.

Unless you can get the manufacturer to state that they intend the conductors to be split up IMO you have a strong violation of 110.3(B).

(Yeah I know this is old, I have been on the road)
 
as someone said once in another thread, its always a good idea to have the home phone number or cell number of your supply house manager, or a 24 hr emergency no for the supply house
 
Pierre C Belarge said:
This was actually a good thread.
I wonder how James resolved his dilema????
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This:


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~Matt
 
Pierre C Belarge said:
Matt
Is that Jame's actual job photo or one you found like it?
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This is not James' work - I was just kidding around.:D

Its a pic from a job I was sent out to add a circuit to this panel, Customer said "the main was just upgraded, so you should have plenty of room for your circuits"

I opened the panel and replied: "I hope it wasnt expensive"


Did my work, and left. The customer didnt want to pay me to fix the grounded conductor.

~Matt
 
iwire said:
Well ..... your weak too. :D


I really don't understand why you think 110.3(B) is 'weak' here.

The conductors are listed and they have cut sheets that describe the make up of those conductors.

Unless you can get the manufacturer to state that they intend the conductors to be split up IMO you have a strong violation of 110.3(B).

(Yeah I know this is old, I have been on the road)
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I never said YOU were weak there is no reason to attack me personally.
110.3(B) says I have to install IAW instructions in the listing of labeling.
There are no istructions that says 100% of the strands have to be landed on a single terminal.

Your arguement is weak because 110.3(B) doesn't back up the statement.

You could make the same arguement that anytime you modify the wire in anyway your violate 110.3(B). No sharpy to change the color. No tape that may cover some lettering....
 
I agree with Bob. the lug is listed for (2) 250 kcmil conductors. Putting any conductor larger than that is a violation. Sort of like the rating of the LB listing.
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Rick
 
Twoskinsoneman said:
I never said YOU were weak there is no reason to attack me personally.
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Twoskin, you took that way to seriously I was joking around.

I sincerely apologize if you felt I trying to put you down.

Now back to the matter at hand.:smile:

Twoskinsoneman said:
110.3(B) says I have to install IAW instructions in the listing of labeling.
There are no instructions that says 100% of the strands have to be landed on a single terminal.
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There is a label that says "12 AWG" and 12 AWG is a certain size, when you split it it is no longer 12 AWG and you have definitely not followed the labeling.
 
iwire said:
Twoskin, you took that way to seriously I was joking around.

I sincerely apologize if you felt I trying to put you down.

Now back to the matter at hand.:smile:



There is a label that says "12 AWG" and 12 AWG is a certain size, when you split it it is no longer 12 AWG and you have definitely not followed the labeling.
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No problem. Joke wasn't funny anyway. :smile:

First off the code technically says to follow instructions that are in the listing...It doesn't technically say the specs of the item can't be modified.

I'm sure the listing also says the wire is insulated but we still have to strip that insulation off....

If you strip it you have have followed the listing specs beause the entire conductor is no longer insulated.

Also if you split the wire the size of it has not changed. It's still the same area of wire....

When you crimp a wire to mash it flat... It is still the same amount of wire and therefore the wire is still within specs... I really don't see any difference.
 
Twoskinsoneman said:
First off the code technically says to follow instructions that are in the listing...It doesn't technically say the specs of the item can't be modified.
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You lost me, it says we must use it as labeled.

Also if you split the wire the size of it has not changed. It's still the same area of wire....

When you crimp a wire to mash it flat... It is still the same amount of wire and therefore the wire is still within specs... I really don't see any difference.
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So we will have to remain in disagreement, I have stated my postion and stand by it.
 
iwire said:
You lost me, it says we must use it as labeled.
So we will have to remain in disagreement, I have stated my postion and stand by it.
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I can live with disagreeing. I lost you because my point wasn't entirely clear. I was try to distinguish between a blanket statement about following everything in the listing and what the code actually says. The code says we have to follow instructions in the listing. A table that may say something like "this wire has an area of 6530 cmils" is not instructions.
It is just information.

(B) Installation and Use.​
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Listed or labeled equipment
shall be installed and used in accordance with any instructions
included in the listing or labeling.

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Twoskinsoneman said:
Sorry this pick is blurry. The wire is split around a screw that tightens a plate. Does this violate the listing of the wire?

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twoskins, your not showing what the breaker wire ranges are, IMO if the wire is larger than what the listed wire range says, its a violation.
 
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