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Beware a lot of supply houses are still carrying an AFCI breaker that does meet 2005 code per the code section given. The AFCI breaker must be a cobination type which differs from the Branch feeder type.
 
I learned that the hard way,,,,and I called my supply shop and asked them, why are they even selling AFCI's that aren't combination type. They should be pulled from shelves.
 
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Notice that the Test Buttons for the 2008 Combination Breaker is a white button. The older 2005 types are light Blue. This is fairly standard but count on variations between mfrs. rbj
 
gndrod said:
Notice that the Test Buttons for the 2008 Combination Breaker is a white button. The older 2005 types are light Blue. This is fairly standard but count on variations between mfrs. rbj
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depends on the make.
I got this when I questioned G-E:
"The GE non-combination breaker is gray with a white test button.

There are now two generations of GE CAFCI breakers in service.
The initial version was a black breaker with a blue test button, the current generation is gray with a black rocker type test button."
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I still run in to guys I know have been doing electrical work for many years. Some still think the afci combo means afci and gfci combined. Any body else saw that?
Also I know electricians that have been electricians full time for 25 years. Some have never heard of a megger.
 
augie47 said:
depends on the make.
I got this when I questioned G-E:
"The GE non-combination breaker is gray with a white test button.

There are now two generations of GE CAFCI breakers in service.
The initial version was a black breaker with a blue test button, the current generation is gray with a black rocker type test button."
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I got the same blue-white test color when I contacted Sq D prior to market release. The button colors were consistent between the three mfrs asked. Handles are in general black unless its Murray, CH, Sylvania, and so on.....rbj
 
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Buck Parrish said:
I still run in to guys I know have been doing electrical work for many years. Some still think the afci combo means afci and gfci combined. Any body else saw that?
Also I know electricians that have been electricians full time for 25 years. Some have never heard of a megger.
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Hi Buck,
The present AFCI Combination does not operate at a GFCI threshold and will not function for both shock and arc protection levels. An AFCI breaker in line with a GFCI receptacle is the only Combined protection on the market that I know of at this time. rbj
 
gndrod said:
Hi Buck,
The present AFCI Combination does not operate at a GFCI threshold and will not function for both shock and arc protection levels. An AFCI breaker in line with a GFCI receptacle is the only Combined protection on the market that I know of at this time. rbj
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Thanks, but I know, ;) I was saying a lot of guys still think a combination means gfic and Afci protection. I know it does not.
 
gndrod said:
Notice that the Test Buttons for the 2008 Combination Breaker is a white button. The older 2005 types are light Blue. This is fairly standard but count on variations between mfrs. rbj
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Simens, Murray, Old GE >> Blue
Cutler Hammer >> Yellow
New GE >> White
Sq D >> White

Older buttons were various colors also.
 
Now here is the ultimate question, since I have a half case of the older ones left over. Can they be used as replacement for same older non combination afci's once the old ones buy the farm? (side note- I got so many from wiring several "package" homes where they over supplied the circuit breakers. Typically they would short me a few cheap resi duplex receptacle devices, but I didn't fuss too much about the whole mixups.:))
 
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