GFCI of rec.'s in sitting area outside kitchen area

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partimer31

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The questions below are related to new work about to be performed.

Can anyone tell me if duplex receptacles along walls, outside the kitchen
counter-top area are require to be GFCI OR AFCI or both?

If you relocated a exhaust fan in bathroom from a wall mounted unit
to a ceiling mounted unit. does this equipment switch feed circuit
need to be GFCI or AFCI or both.

Please answer my questions using the NEC 2008 handbook.

THANKS to everyone who replies to my thread.
 
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Can anyone tell me if duplex receptacles along walls, outside the kitchen
counter-top area are require to be GFCI OR AFCI or both?
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Is the area outside the kitchen a family room, dining room, living room, parlor, library, den, bedroom, sun-room, recreation room, closet, hallway, or similar room or area? If it is then circuits in those areas are required to be AFCI protected.

For GFCI protection, again it depends on what the location is and if there are any sinks located within 6 feet, check out 210.8(A).

If you relocated a exhaust fan in bathroom from a wall mounted unit
to a ceiling mounted unit. does this equipment switch feed circuit
need to be GFCI or AFCI or both.
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AFCI protection is not required for a bathroom.

GFCI protection is not required for a bath fan unless the manufactures installation instructions require it.

Chris
 
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partimer31

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Weather Resistance Receptacles, for outside?

Weather Resistance Receptacles, for outside?

Thanks, raider 1, for your reply post.

But I am still having hard time believing what I am reading in the NEC 2008
Handbook.

For instance, ARTICLE: 406.11 Tamper-resitant receptacles in Dwelling
Units. If I understand it correctly, my take on this is that every receptacle.
single, duplex, and those that are GFCI style now have be Tamper-Re-
sistant models.

And doesn't matter were the location is. Example: behind the Refrigerator,
inside the sink cabinet, crawl space. Plus all exterior ones.

Although I cannot currently find NEC 2008 code ARTICLE, but I thought
I heard that exterior receptacle, single or duplex have to be of a type called:
Weather Resistance. Is this true?
 
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For instance, ARTICLE: 406.11 Tamper-resitant receptacles in Dwelling
Units. If I understand it correctly, my take on this is that every receptacle.
single, duplex, and those that are GFCI style now have be Tamper-Re-
sistant models.
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Correct, all 125 volt receptacles installed in the areas specified in 210.52 must be listed tamper resistant receptacles, even the ones behind appliances and those that are not readily accessible. That includes GFCI receptacles and receptacles required to be weather resistant.

Chris
 
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Receptacles installed in the cabinet are not required to be GFCI protected. Neither is the receptacle behind the refrigerator even if it is adjacent to the sink.
 
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Understanding the NEC 2008 code book

Understanding the NEC 2008 code book

Thanks guys, you have been a big help, in understanding the 2008
NEC codebook.
 
raider1

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roger3829 said:
Receptacles installed in the cabinet are not required to be GFCI protected. Neither is the receptacle behind the refrigerator even if it is adjacent to the sink.
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I agree if this is a kitchen.

If the sink is a wet bar sink then if the refrigerator receptacle is within 6' of the edge of the sink it must be GFCI protected even if it is behind the fridge.

Chris
 
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raider1 said:
I agree if this is a kitchen.

If the sink is a wet bar sink then if the refrigerator receptacle is within 6' of the edge of the sink it must be GFCI protected even if it is behind the fridge.

Chris
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No exceptions correct?

Does a disposal or dishwasher fall under this? A built-in microwave?

I think not. I would say that being in a cabinet or even behind a refrigerator is not within 6'.

Not readily accessible. Yes I know it does not say that.

This would be a judgement call by me.
 
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Does a disposal or dishwasher fall under this? A built-in microwave?

I think not. I would say that being in a cabinet or even behind a refrigerator is not within 6'.
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Why does being installed in a cabinet or behind an appliance make something not within 6' of the edge of a wet bar, laundry, or utility sink?

Chris
 
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roger3829 said:
I was talking about a kitchen sink with was the OP's original question.
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I know you were, that is why I said that I agreed with you for a kitchen.;):)

The OP's question was in regards to the area outside the kitchen so that is why I ventured into 210.8(A)(7).

Chris
 
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jxofaltrds said:
Chris

IMHO for the same reason that a wall stops the measurement.
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Yeah, but with a cabinet If I can open the cabinet door and plug in a 6' cord and have the cord land at the edge of a sink IMHO this would be a violation.

With a wall, it is not very likely that someone would put a hole in the wall and pass a cord through it.

JMHO,

Chris
 
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