15 amp recepts in commercial building (???)

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frankgi said:
A GC informed me that a job of his (not mine) failed inspection because the EC installed 15a recepts on 20a circuits. Although this is not something I would do...where is the vio?? I always refer to 210.21 (B)(3). I cant find the vio anywhere else. Most likely an AHJ.
Anyone know anywhere that this is a vio??
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20a recepts not allowed on 15a circuits, but 15a recepts allowed on 20a circuits per 210.21(B)(3).
Thanks in advance.
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Before you judge the Inspector decision asks yourself if you look the notes on approved plans for this project. It's a very common variance for commercial projects to place a note under condition to the job (specially a commercial one). Those notes are insert by EE assign to the project and like it or not you have to follow up.
 
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Has anyone clarified that you cannot put a 20a duplex on a 15a circuit?
I dont see the harm in this.
 
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kacper said:
Before you judge the Inspector decision asks yourself if you look the notes on approved plans for this project. It's a very common variance for commercial projects to place a note under condition to the job (specially a commercial one). Those notes are insert by EE assign to the project and like it or not you have to follow up.
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I for one think that if it meets nec it should pass. As to not meeting the EE specs that should be up to the GC and owner.
 
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frankgi said:
A GC informed me that a job of his (not mine) failed inspection because the EC installed 15a recepts on 20a circuits. Although this is not something I would do...where is the vio?? I always refer to 210.21 (B)(3). I cant find the vio anywhere else. Most likely an AHJ.
Anyone know anywhere that this is a vio??
Once again:
20a recepts not allowed on 15a circuits, but 15a recepts allowed on 20a circuits per 210.21(B)(3).
Thanks in advance.
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Alot guys are not aware of it, but there some 15 amp recep. that the manufacture instructions say are only allowed on 15 amp circuits. ;)
 
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brother said:
Alot guys are not aware of it, but there some 15 amp recep. that the manufacture instructions say are only allowed on 15 amp circuits. ;)
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How about a link to one of these receptacles, you have brought this up before but as of yet I haven't seen the proof.

A HD or Lowes info sheet is not the manufacturers labeling.

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kacper said:
Before you judge the Inspector decision asks yourself if you look the notes on approved plans for this project. It's a very common variance for commercial projects to place a note under condition to the job (specially a commercial one). Those notes are insert by EE assign to the project and like it or not you have to follow up.
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Of course. If the specifications called for 20a devices, but if the specifications did NOT....
 
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brother said:
You asked me that before, and I left a name of the type of receptacle. Its sold at home depot. check out the Box instructions. ;)
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Your talking about this post

http://forums.mikeholt.com/showpost.php?p=1093713&postcount=32.


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iwire said:
Nothing personal but if you can not show me one I do not believe it. :)
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Ok, believe it not, I found the brand. Its not showing it online though, its written on the box. I know its been a long time. ;)

They are made by 'cooper wiring devices' NEMA 5-15R EEMAC 5-15R model box number BR15W its 10 in a box.

It specifically says, in #5. on the back of the box, "Install 15 amp receptacle into 15 amp CIRCUIT ONLY. " This is both side and back wired. Not just for the back wire. and Yes you use up to size 10awg for the back. They are sold at Lowes.
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Nothing personal, I still do not believe it.

They could not get a UL listing if they could not be used on 20 amp circuits.
 
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iwire said:
Your talking about this post

http://forums.mikeholt.com/showpost.php?p=1093713&postcount=32.




Nothing personal, I still do not believe it.

They could not get a UL listing if they could not be used on 20 amp circuits.
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All I can say is , go to lowes or home depot and get a box and read it for yourself, wheather you want to believe it or not doesnt change the fact that says what it says.

Kinda like some guys I tell about something in the NEC, it says what it says, wheather you believe it or not. ;)
 
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jap said:
Is the reason for (No 20a Duplex on a 15a Circuit) so you dont intentionally overload the circuit with a piece of equipment that may have a 20a Male Cap on it?
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I honestly have no idea. I can put a single 20 amp receptacle on a 15 amp circuit but not a 20 amp duplex. Either device would allow me to plug in a 20 amp appliance with a 20 amp cord cap on the same 15 amp circuit.
 
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infinity said:
I honestly have no idea. I can put a single 20 amp receptacle on a 15 amp circuit but not a 20 amp duplex. Either device would allow me to plug in a 20 amp appliance with a 20 amp cord cap on the same 15 amp circuit.
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This doesn't sound right, are you referring to T210.21(B)(3)?
 
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Wow suing me for a million bucks would sure be a waste of time, after $100 you can put as many zeros on it as you want, but good luck getting it.:grin: I could reach in my pocket now and probably give you all the money I have.

I also agree with check the job specs (plans), if it's not there as someone asked, then there is no violation.
 
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