I've been away from the resi side of wiring for a while so I am a bit perplexed on the EE's call for 4#6's to a range recep. Is there now a nm cable with 4 #6's in it? Or is it still 3 #6's and a #10 ground? I don't know why the ground would need to be sized the same as the grounded or ungrounded conductors.
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If your range only needed a 30 amp OCPD then by upsizing to #6, 250.122(B) would come into play meaning that your EGC would need to be the same size as the circuit conductors. Having said that it probably has nothing to do with your question. 
brother
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Not sure if this will answer your question, but just a tidbit of info .
Just remember that NM (assuming it romex cable and conduit you running) has to be under the 60 degree column for ampacity Table 310.16, NEC 2008 334.80. This would make #6 good for 55 amps. Most ranges, even my own house has a 50 amp breaker, and it is run in cable, so therefore they had to use #6. Hope this helps.
It does sound like the EE doesnt do much residential in my opinion.
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Bid it that way, then offer to 'Value Engineer' a lower price by finding other things like this that would allow a savings without compromising safety.
davedottcom
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What's a "Davis Bacon job" ? :-?
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A law requiring that tax-payer funded projects accept no less than the highest price that can be paid for labor. You may have heard that they choose the lowest bidder - but it is really the lowest "qualified bidder" - qualified means you're paying top ducks, and have all of thier paperwork in a neat little row along an ever shifting line. All of the groups of ducks are pretty competitive - but all getting top money - by law... The only competition is in design, specification, managment and contract loop-holes... i.e. getting CO's for the next decade or so - also at top dollar.... I'm putting that as nice as I can....
LawnGuyLandSparky
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It is a law that ensures the lowest bidder isn't because they pay their labor the least. That way, the public funds used to pay for the work reflect the true cost, and aren't hiding hidden future costs because the lowest bidder's employees are on food stamps and welfare.
davedottcom
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...a law that ensures the lowest bidder isn't...what? hired?
This is quite a coincidence but I'm about to bid on a job that is a Bacon Davis Job! I had no idea what that meant, and to tell you the truth, I'm still not sure... how would this effect the way I bid the job? Sounds to me like I would want to bid the labor high to get the job???
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...a law that ensures the lowest bidder isn't...what? hired?
This is quite a coincidence but I'm about to bid on a job that is a Bacon Davis Job! I had no idea what that meant, and to tell you the truth, I'm still not sure... how would this effect the way I bid the job? Sounds to me like I would want to bid the labor high to get the job???
he explained it, just not written well.
Maybe if it was written:
...a law that ensures the lowest bidder isnt (the lowest) because they pay the lowest labor rates....
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lakee911
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Then he can get into trouble. He must pay them the prevailing wage per the Contract. If this is found out before the bid, he'll probably be disqualified.
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So, my bid has to include proof of how much I pay my guys?
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LawnGuyLandSparky
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...a law that ensures the lowest bidder isn't...what? hired?
This is quite a coincidence but I'm about to bid on a job that is a Bacon Davis Job! I had no idea what that meant, and to tell you the truth, I'm still not sure... how would this effect the way I bid the job? Sounds to me like I would want to bid the labor high to get the job???
You want to bid the labor at local prevailing wages including H&W. For the duration of the job you must pay that to every employee. If you utilize helpers or anyone other than journeymen, they must be enrolled in a certified apprenticeship program, otherwise you must pay everyone journeyman wages and bennies.
The job will probably require a bond and a certified payroll.
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