Recessed light fan over shower

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I just moved from a house that was built in 85 and had combos in both the shower in the 1/2 bath and the tub / shower unit in the full bath. Never had an issue with water.

I have installed them over hot tubs and got inspector approval (on GFCI as directed by mfgr.)

So, no, it's certainly not new to me.
 
Have you ever seen one of these?

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Mike any damp location can that is 8' over the threshold of a shower is suitable for a shower. An open bulb fixture that one sees outside on porches and overhangs of roofs are perfectly legal in a shower if they are 8' above the threshold.
 
The instructions also say:

? UL Listed for use over bathtubs and showers when connected to a GFCI protected branch circuit with PAR30L or PAR30LN type bulbs

From here:http://www.elightbulbs.com/library/light_bulbs_halogen_par30.cfm

I got this:

PAR30 lamps are widely available from Sylvania, GE, Philips, Westinghouse, and most other small bulb manufacturers. They have standard bases and are able to be used indoors or outdoors. They can be directly exposed to rain or snow and still function normally. They do not need to be covered by a light fixture, which makes the PAR30 lamps handy to use.

Seems safe to me.
 
jxofaltrds said:
OK. I just scratched out 90.1(A)
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Actually 90.1 (C) is applicable:

(C) Intention. This Code is not intended as a design specification
or an instruction manual for untrained persons.

Which leads to 110.3(B):

(B) Installation and Use. Listed or labeled equipment
shall be installed and used in accordance with any instructions
included in the listing or labeling.

HOs are not exempt.
 
jumper said:
Actually 90.1 (C) is applicable:

(C) Intention. This Code is not intended as a design specification
or an instruction manual for untrained persons.

Which leads to 110.3(B):

(B) Installation and Use. Listed or labeled equipment
shall be installed and used in accordance with any instructions
included in the listing or labeling.

HOs are not exempt.
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So are you saying that I should not use the NEC? ;)
 
jumper said:
Actually 90.1 (C) is applicable:

(C) Intention. This Code is not intended as a design specification
or an instruction manual for untrained persons.

Which leads to 110.3(B):

(B) Installation and Use. Listed or labeled equipment
shall be installed and used in accordance with any instructions
included in the listing or labeling.

HOs are not exempt.
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Mmmm....kind of....once the inspection is over, the HO's can do whatever they want.

Have you ever heard of an HO being prosecuted for not using the correct light bulb? How many 60 watt max fixtures have you seen with 100 watt bulbs installed in them by the HO? What is stopping THEM from ignoring the instructions? Nothing! Well, except common sense, but I digress.

While, on paper, it may look like HO's are not exempt, but in real life they sure are!
 
K8MHZ said:
Mmmm....kind of....once the inspection is over, the HO's can do whatever they want.

Have you ever heard of an HO being prosecuted for not using the correct light bulb? How many 60 watt max fixtures have you seen with 100 watt bulbs installed in them by the HO? What is stopping THEM from ignoring the instructions? Nothing! Well, except common sense, but I digress.

While, on paper, it may look like HO's are not exempt, but in real life they sure are!
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Yes, I understand your point. Seen it many times, my point was a technicality.

If we have to follow the rules , they do. Does this happen in real life, no.
 
jumper said:
No I am saying that if it has the wrong bulb or no GFCI protection, fail it no matter who installs it. If correct, pass and go on.
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Sometimes my questions come from an Inspector's point of view, sometimes from a Contractor's point of view and sometimes from a Helper's point of view.

I do this at IAEI meetings also. Why?

Because I know that others want to ask a question but do not for fear of looking stupid. And we all know that I am not afraid of looking stupid.
Think of how you answer questions. You may make others afraid to answer a question that is important.

Think of my first post asked by a helper to you on a job. Would your responses be different?
 
jxofaltrds said:
Think of how you answer questions. You may make others afraid to answer a question that is important.
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If I do this, I apoligize. I do not mean to.

Think of my first post asked by a helper to you on a job. Would your responses be different?
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Since I have not passed my passed my test yet, I am technically a helper/apprentice. I do not state "electrician" in my profile.
 
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