Alcohol and company vehicles.

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iwire said:
Sevens something. :p
My wife and I got here before 11AM and started drinking pretty much right away. ( I was kidding about the company truck)
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seven and seven, perhaps? :happyyes:


"BEER: It's not JUST for breakfast anymore,
but a complete anytime of the day or night meal...."

glad to know you were just trolling us....
i'm sure your employer was even gladder....
 
Fulthrotl said:
seven and seven, perhaps? :happyyes:


"BEER: It's not JUST for breakfast anymore,
but a complete anytime of the day or night meal...."

glad to know you were just trolling us....
i'm sure your employer was even gladder....
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No beer, not really a beer fan, but pretty much everything else was sampled.


Pretty happy, went to bed at 2AM and woke up feeling fine with a nice view of a sunny Connecticut morning.
 

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chris1971 said:
Allowing your employees to drink after work and then drive home is a lawsuit in the making. I would end that practice ASAP. I would also have zero tolerance for having an employee use the company truck and stop at the tavern unless he's doing a service call at the tavern.
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For sure. An EC that used to be in our town had a friend with a towing business. He told him to tow any of his vehicles he saw at a drinking place; no questions, no notice to driver.

Re gathering at the house after work, I would stop the alcohol NOW and do something like grilling hot dogs 1 evening a week after work. Still a time to gather and unwind; you are still being generous but not putting your co. at such a risk.
 
Parking a company vehicle at a bar - I can understand the want to not allow the possible bad image.

Also consider there are many places that serve alcohol that are not considered by very many as a taboo place to be. Even people with strong opinions against alcohol do not boycott many restaurants that just happen to serve alcohol. Even if you are working out of town and there is a lounge in your hotel.... are you not allowed to park in the hotel parking lot?
 
One thing I see often that some employers may discourage is people stopping at a convenience store, grocery store, or other places that don't serve alcohol but do sell it for consumption off site. I see this a lot in the 5:00 hour if I stop at one of those places and people stop with their company vehicle and all they walk out with is some beer. People see the company name on uniforms being worn and/or on the vehicle when these people stop for this.
 
kwired said:
Parking a company vehicle at a bar - I can understand the want to not allow the possible bad image.

Also consider there are many places that serve alcohol that are not considered by very many as a taboo place to be. Even people with strong opinions against alcohol do not boycott many restaurants that just happen to serve alcohol. Even if you are working out of town and there is a lounge in your hotel.... are you not allowed to park in the hotel parking lot?
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This is totally different from places where drinking is obviously the primary activity. Bars and/or strip clubs where alcohol is the main product being sold, maybe snack foods as an add on. "Jimmy's Watering Hole", or such as this. Most peole in any community know the difference.
 
jmellc said:
This is totally different from places where drinking is obviously the primary activity. Bars and/or strip clubs where alcohol is the main product being sold, maybe snack foods as an add on. "Jimmy's Watering Hole", or such as this. Most peole in any community know the difference.
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Come out to small town USA and I can show you many family friendly restaurants that also have a "watering hole" in the same facility. Same place is often the coffee house in the mornings.
 
kwired said:
Come out to small town USA and I can show you many family friendly restaurants that also have a "watering hole" in the same facility. Same place is often the coffee house in the mornings.
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All over the us are chain restaurants that cater to families and have full bars.

But no one is going to bat an eye at my van parked at a Chillis, Applebees, Texes Roadhouse etc.

But if my van is at a bar that happens to also serve burgers and wings or has 'gentlemens club' on the sign that will be a problem.
 
iwire said:
Unless he had made clear that was against the rules that was a scum bag move.
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Any employee should have had better sense than that too. Only an idiot would take his boss' marked vehicle to a bar. We are suppsed to behave like rational sensible adults. Too many guys do too much crap without thinking ahead, then wonder why they get in trouble. I've worked jobs where half the guys there could not legally drive because of so many DWI's, yet they still drink up every weekend & lots of weeknights too.
 
jmellc said:
Bars and/or strip clubs where alcohol is the main product being sold...
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Is alcohol the "main product" being sold at a strip club? :)

I doubt that many people will hold it against your company if they see a company vehicle at the local Chilis now and then.

They may well do so if they see 3 or 4 of your vans at what is entirely a bar on a regular basis on Friday night.

It can be a subtle thing.
 
kwired said:
Where are you supposed to park if your current project/job is something at the bar?;)
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Service calls to a bar are an obvious exception. No boss would give a blanket tow order if he had barowners as customers.
 
jmellc said:
Any employee should have had better sense than that too. Only an idiot would take his boss' marked vehicle to a bar. We are suppsed to behave like rational sensible adults. Too many guys do too much crap without thinking ahead, then wonder why they get in trouble. I've worked jobs where half the guys there could not legally drive because of so many DWI's, yet they still drink up every weekend & lots of weeknights too.
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And they are the idiots on the D*** mopeds.

My main employment is with the State of North Carolina. For over 25 years I have driven a State owned truck. On the back of these vehicles is a nice, bright, shiny, yellow license plate that says " Permanente State Owned". Talk about your bulls eye for getting turned in. Although, there were two State employees who parked their nice yellow trucks with yellow license plates at a restaurant on I-95 to grab lunch. The name of the restaurant was " The Risqu? caf? ". A topless joint that sold vending machine sandwiches. They no longer work for the State. :dunce::slaphead::dunce:
 
ceb58 said:
And they are the idiots on the D*** mopeds.

The name of the restaurant was " The Risqu? caf? ". A topless joint that sold vending machine sandwiches. They no longer work for the State. :dunce::slaphead::dunce:
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Hey........I was just picking up my girlfriend from work! :jawdrop:
 
Any company should have a No Drinking Policy period with no tolerance. If one of those employees has driving accident in a company vehicle, the owner that vehicle will be held liable for all damages. Sure the employee will suffer the criminal side of the punishment, but the company will suffer the civil law suit side and for a small company is a Death Sentence.
 
I know this sounds crazy to some but I "the employee" was actually thinking of purchasing my own dash cam to put in my vehicle.

I've had a unfavorable experience from my last personal accident (Comparative negligence :thumbsdown:)
and a ticket while driving a company vehicle both which have would had different results with video evidence.
 
The approach may depend a but on the region. It's been a few years, but at one time when working in the Chicago area, a beer with lunch was standard procedure.
The odds of a problem arising when alcohol and employment are mixed are better
than Bob's odds at those slot machines. I've seen it too many times. Let one of your employees be involved in an accident of any kind where alcohol is involved and there is a great chance everyone associated will be facing a lawsuit. There have been court cases locally where employees have had a few drinks at a company sponsored event, become involved in an accident with their own vehicle on their own time (after the party) and the company was found liable.
It is not worth the gamble.
 
While I like to drink and am no stranger to bars, I would NEVER consider doing it while on the job or while driving a company truck. The last small EC I worked for had most of the local bars as customers so it wouldn't look out of place to see the truck there. That's not the issue.

Think of the risk vs. the reward.

Risk:

My job
His truck
His business, therefore
His job

Reward:

Beer

There is no beer that good, and I have had some really great beer!
 
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