Well, since they weren't allowed to splice the service entrance conductors.....
In some cases I thought you are allowed to splice service conductors for repair ?
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In some cases I thought you are allowed to splice service conductors for repair ?
jumper
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The NEC does not prohibit splicing service conductors, but POCOs may if it is before the meter.
boatliftwarehouse
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What is this , my mind is completely stuck.
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macmikeman
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You should have had the guy put his NEC down near to that , and see if the 'wiring job' suddenly sprung into flames.
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That was my assumption...that is from the incident that triggered this installation.
ggunn
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I have heard that the way some guys determine which breaker feeds the outlet or whatever they are working on is to simply short the connectors to trip the breaker. Whatever works, I guess...
Here, hold my beer.
jumper
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I have heard that the way some guys determine which breaker feeds the outlet or whatever they are working on is to simply short the connectors to trip the breaker. Whatever works, I guess...
Here, hold my beer.
I might know a feller who did that once many years ago.:angel:
They did that so gravity would help the electrons flow down through those little 12AWG wires.
texie
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I'm sure the individual that did this had nothing but safety in mind and was a highly trained electrician. Maybe his way of limiting available fault current the the bus and branch breakers.
Every time I see things like this it makes me wonder why we don't have more injuries and fires than we do. The other thing I notice is how many of these types of things are done by so called trained electricians and how little professionalism we have in the trades (and getting worse).
Every time I see things like this it makes me wonder why we don't have more injuries and fires than we do. The other thing I notice is how many of these types of things are done by so called trained electricians and how little professionalism we have in the trades (and getting worse).
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Well, if it's a single woman in a small house alone with no A/C and gas appliances, she likely doesn't run more than one electrical thing at a time, so that makes sense. Even if my wife is alone in the house, she turns the TV or stereo off when she goes into the next room to brush her hair, or if the dishwasher is running she reads a book rather than watch TV or sit at the computer. She says she can't handle the noise distraction. Not me, I leave everything on while I do anything else until I leave the house.
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My wife is the same as yours and I'm the same as you.
romex jockey
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#12 on 100Amps......more proof we are a minority
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fmtjfw
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You larn something every day
You larn something every day
Gee, so, bus clips are sized for insertion of #12 wire. That should be useful some day. The reason the #12 insulation is not damaged is because they used a 001 Amp breaker.
You larn something every day
Gee, so, bus clips are sized for insertion of #12 wire. That should be useful some day. The reason the #12 insulation is not damaged is because they used a 001 Amp breaker.
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Sorry I don't have more info on this. Our guys were there to change out her central AC unit and discovered this when they opened up the panel. She is a widow living alone there for many years. I think the AC unit was the only 240 volt breaker in the panel, heated with gas etc. Probably a "gift" from her husband.
Boss told we were not turning on the AC till she got this fixed, The electrician she called was going to be there today, I think the boss scared her
Boss told we were not turning on the AC till she got this fixed, The electrician she called was going to be there today, I think the boss scared her
Fulthrotl
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I'm sure the individual that did this had nothing but safety in mind and was a highly trained electrician. Maybe his way of limiting available fault current the the bus and branch breakers.
Every time I see things like this it makes me wonder why we don't have more injuries and fires than we do. The other thing I notice is how many of these types of things are done by so called trained electricians and how little professionalism we have in the trades (and getting worse).
i have no idea what you are talking about.....
i walked in to certify a lighting install this morning....
this is what the lighting panel looked like when i opened the door.
they have a little bit more work to do, imho.
1793
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While we are on a roll,
Unprotected Service conductors entering the panel
Unprotected Service conductors entering the panel
There were some old Murray panels that used a main that ON was the reverse of a normal plug-in so that the handle would be up in the ON position, if it was replaced with a off the shelf 100A 2 pole plug-in breaker, OFF was then in the up position, to give a timeline these were made before Murray became Crouse-Hinds.
If they were going to do a site hack like shown by the OP, a cable in, cable out breaker* would have been better, but still wrong.
*Don't know the equivalent Westinghouse/C-H/Eaton of the SQ D QOU breaker is.
ebwolf650b
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This is so bad that I'm very confused on what is even going on here. Its a miracle that that house is still standing and no electrical issues have came up.
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This is so bad that I'm very confused on what is even going on here. Its a miracle that that house is still standing and no electrical issues have came up.
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growler
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I think the wiring is very bad and that's it's obvious they didn't know what they were doing. But?
What happens if you overload one of those #12 conductors? Not much. First the insulation would melt and smoke and then with more heat the conductor would burn into.
Where is the fuel to start a fire? I have removed main breakers where the lugs were glowing red hot and still no fire because there was no fuel in the area.
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