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The customer has a treated water tank they use for their chemical processing. They currently use a pump with a start stop when they need water for mixing. The tank sits less than 100' away, The water comes shooting out other end into tank with alot of pressure. its comical to see the workers trying to control the flow with the hose they currently use. I am trying to a find alternatives to their processes. So I was wondering if a booster pump at source would be a better solution. If so would the booster pump operate during demand, flow or pressure?
 
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maybe a valve on the end of the hose?
 
mannyb said:
The customer has a treated water tank they use for their chemical processing. They currently use a pump with a start stop when they need water for mixing. The tank sits less than 100' away, The water comes shooting out other end into tank with alot of pressure. its comical to see the workers trying to control the flow with the hose they currently use. I am trying to a find alternatives to their processes. So I was wondering if a booster pump at source would be a better solution. If so would the booster pump operate during demand, flow or pressure?
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if i am understanding correctly you pumping water into this tank with a pump via a hose what size pump ? a valve at the end of the hose could use to turn down the pressure.
 
from the replies I clearly didnt word my question correctly. The question was more on demand than flow. The water line is 2.5'' fire hose type hose so kinking hose really isnt an option but also not the problem. My question is more around the demand of water when needed. How does a booster pump operate? Does the booster pump only turn on when it senses water flow or a type of pressure drop? The customer currently operates their pump with a stop start button. When they need water they open valve and push start to the pump to help water flow. I assume a booster pump would turn on when water demand is needed. Am I correct. Currently the customer start and stop the pump as needed. I was thinking a booster pump that works on demand is better than them having to push a button. I hope this makes alot more sense.
 
mannyb said:
from the replies I clearly didnt word my question correctly. The question was more on demand than flow. The water line is 2.5'' fire hose type hose so kinking hose really isnt an option but also not the problem. My question is more around the demand of water when needed. How does a booster pump operate? Does the booster pump only turn on when it senses water flow or a type of pressure drop? The customer currently operates their pump with a stop start button. When they need water they open valve and push start to the pump to help water flow. I assume a booster pump would turn on when water demand is needed. Am I correct. Currently the customer start and stop the pump as needed. I was thinking a booster pump that works on demand is better than them having to push a button. I hope this makes alot more sense.
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yes sir a booster pump is just like the one at your home water back up Tank.

When water form utility goes the pressure drops then the booster pump trip in and build up the pressure therefore you would not need to stop start again just left it on and it will automatically switch on when need.

it will need a pressure switch and a pressure cylinder usually sell as a complete package.
 
mannyb said:
from the replies I clearly didnt word my question correctly. The question was more on demand than flow. The water line is 2.5'' fire hose type hose so kinking hose really isnt an option but also not the problem. My question is more around the demand of water when needed. How does a booster pump operate? Does the booster pump only turn on when it senses water flow or a type of pressure drop? The customer currently operates their pump with a stop start button. When they need water they open valve and push start to the pump to help water flow. I assume a booster pump would turn on when water demand is needed. Am I correct. Currently the customer start and stop the pump as needed. I was thinking a booster pump that works on demand is better than them having to push a button. I hope this makes alot more sense.
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mannyb said:
from the replies I clearly didnt word my question correctly. The question was more on demand than flow. The water line is 2.5'' fire hose type hose so kinking hose really isnt an option but also not the problem. My question is more around the demand of water when needed. How does a booster pump operate? Does the booster pump only turn on when it senses water flow or a type of pressure drop? The customer currently operates their pump with a stop start button. When they need water they open valve and push start to the pump to help water flow. I assume a booster pump would turn on when water demand is needed. Am I correct. Currently the customer start and stop the pump as needed. I was thinking a booster pump that works on demand is better than them having to push a button. I hope this makes alot more sense.
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mannyb said:
from the replies I clearly didnt word my question correctly. The question was more on demand than flow. The water line is 2.5'' fire hose type hose so kinking hose really isnt an option but also not the problem. My question is more around the demand of water when needed. How does a booster pump operate? Does the booster pump only turn on when it senses water flow or a type of pressure drop? The customer currently operates their pump with a stop start button. When they need water they open valve and push start to the pump to help water flow. I assume a booster pump would turn on when water demand is needed. Am I correct. Currently the customer start and stop the pump as needed. I was thinking a booster pump that works on demand is better than them having to push a button. I hope this makes alot more sense.
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Booster pump is pretty vague and can mean a lot of different things. Most the time it is something used when needing more volume, pressure or both. Don't sound like that is necessarily what your goal is though and the current pump you are using can probably handle the demand you just need to find a way to manage volume and/or pressure. VFD has been mentioned and is a possibility for you . valves for controlling flow (whether manual or automatic ) are also possibilities.

Is it more of a problem with sudden pressure surge when starting but is fine after flow is established? Maybe just a soft starter on the pump will help with that.
 
mannyb said:
from the replies I clearly didnt word my question correctly. The question was more on demand than flow. The water line is 2.5'' fire hose type hose so kinking hose really isnt an option but also not the problem. My question is more around the demand of water when needed. How does a booster pump operate? Does the booster pump only turn on when it senses water flow or a type of pressure drop? The customer currently operates their pump with a stop start button. When they need water they open valve and push start to the pump to help water flow. I assume a booster pump would turn on when water demand is needed. Am I correct. Currently the customer start and stop the pump as needed. I was thinking a booster pump that works on demand is better than them having to push a button. I hope this makes alot more sense.
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Everything you just said here, in addition to your original post, makes it clear that you don't need a pump, you need to solve this problem with a valve or some other plumbing solution.
 
Some booster pumps operate with a built-in flow switch. No demand, or flow below bottom limit will leave pump off. Unlike a pressure switch it is not affected by fluctuations in supply water pressure.
 
ActionDave said:
Everything you just said here, in addition to your original post, makes it clear that you don't need a pump, you need to solve this problem with a valve or some other plumbing solution.
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Actually The tank sits around a 100' to 200' if you count the up and over building. gravity doesnt provide the force need to fill anything in a timely manner. I always see them using the 2.5'' hose and engaging the pump. I thought of the booster pump because of water flow. I didnt mention that they use a make shift on off switch to control the pump with 3 or 4 extention cords drapped across the floor to switch on and off from different locations. I was just trying to provide a solution. in the end they will be the ones to decide. Thanks for input. Understand the booster pump alot more.
 
mannyb said:
Actually The tank sits around a 100' to 200' if you count the up and over building. gravity doesnt provide the force need to fill anything in a timely manner. I always see them using the 2.5'' hose and engaging the pump. I thought of the booster pump because of water flow. I didnt mention that they use a make shift on off switch to control the pump with 3 or 4 extention cords drapped across the floor to switch on and off from different locations. I was just trying to provide a solution. in the end they will be the ones to decide. Thanks for input. Understand the booster pump alot more.
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You already have a pump, that apparently provides what you need or even more than what you need. what are you trying to accomplish with the "booster pump"?

If you want somewhat constant pressure at all times, you need an expansion tank, check valve, and pressure switch. then it will work about like a domestic well system works, once pressure setpoint is reached pump shuts off but system remains under pressure so all you need to do is open valve when you need water, once pressure drops below start setpoint the pump turns on again. You need the expansion tank for a pressure buffer.
 
From what I’m gathering, the storage tank is used because the existing water feed cannot produce enough flow by itself, hence the 2 1/2” pump. Or is the 2 1/2” pump over kill, and you just need more volume than the gravity feed provides, and a smaller pump will do? The 2 1/2” pump will most likely cycle very frequently with a pressure tank and switch unless it’s a big a** pressure tank.
 
kwired said:
You already have a pump, that apparently provides what you need or even more than what you need. what are you trying to accomplish with the "booster pump"?

If you want somewhat constant pressure at all times, you need an expansion tank, check valve, and pressure switch. then it will work about like a domestic well system works, once pressure setpoint is reached pump shuts off but system remains under pressure so all you need to do is open valve when you need water, once pressure drops below start setpoint the pump turns on again. You need the expansion tank for a pressure buffer.
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You type faster than I do! LOL!
 
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