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I have been a member here under a differrent username ?Puckman" and have been retired for about 6 yrs. I recently put up my home for sale and the home inspector said that my panel and cb,s were not standard installation. He said that 2 wires on a cb were wrong (square d QO15 and a 20a} #14/2 and #12/2 romex and that two wires #14 spliced together with a #14 on a cb. I have always been under the idea that this was code. I have no code book to review. Can anyone comment here either way? ps home was belt about 1990
 
Some breakers are listed/made for two conductors. The ones you mentioned (SqD) are one of those. The "double tapped" breaker is the favorite of Home Inspectors and most don't know there are some breakers are listed for two. There is actually no code stating two conductors under a single terminal is disallowed, you have to go by the mfg's listing and instructions. Tell the HI he is wrong!
 
QO breakers are listed for two of the same size wires. I think this goes back well before 1990. You can probably find this stated on their website and show the HI.
 
For your first question, 2 wires on on breaker its 110.3 B follow listing instructions.

" two wires #14 spliced together with a #14 on a cb " IE do you have a wire nut in your panel? Ask him for a code reference (hint 312.8- as long as does not exceed 75 % of the cross sectional area.
 
tom baker said:
For your first question, 2 wires on on breaker its 110.3 B follow listing instructions.

" two wires #14 spliced together with a #14 on a cb " IE do you have a wire nut in your panel? Ask him for a code reference (hint 312.8- as long as does not exceed 75 % of the cross sectional area.
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LarryFine said:
That pigtail should be #12.
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LarryFine said:
That pigtail should be #12.
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jim dungar said:
Yes, it actually goes back some 60 years.

I am glad that our State does not allow HIs to remove panel covers.
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when i retired in the wastewater field there was 70e. Has that expanded to residential
thanks for your response really appreciate it.
Little Bill said:
Some breakers are listed/made for two conductors. The ones you mentioned (SqD) are one of those. The "double tapped" breaker is the favorite of Home Inspectors and most don't know there are some breakers are listed for two. There is actually no code stating two conductors under a single terminal is disallowed, you have to go by the mfg's listing and instructions. Tell the HI he is wrong!
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infinity said:
I'm curious, what good is paying for a home inspection if they cannot remove the panel cover?
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All the other stuff they might find.
On my last purchase; a cold water faucet that did not work, bathroom vent pulled away from roof vent, attic insulation displaced
On my last sell; basement wall starting to bulge in, basement fluorescent fixtures fed with flexible cord, dishwasher without an air gap in drain line.

These all became negotiating points. Pretty much stupid stuff, but at least they were identified.
I want an electrician to look at the panel and and HVAC person to look at the furnace/ac.
 
jim dungar said:
All the other stuff they might find.
On my last purchase; a cold water faucet that did not work, bathroom vent pulled away from roof vent, attic insulation displaced
On my last sell; basement wall starting to bulge in, basement fluorescent fixtures fed with flexible cord, dishwasher without an air gap in drain line.

These all became negotiating points. Pretty much stupid stuff, but at least they were identified.
I want an electrician to look at the panel and and HVAC person to look at the furnace/ac.
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Do they [ HI } have to be trained or qualifiyed to interact with electric panels ? when selling its not the sellers call who inspects
 
Puckdrop 31 said:
Do they [ HI } have to be trained or qualifiyed to interact with electric panels ? when selling its not the sellers call who inspects
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It's all in the two week home inspection course that they have to take to become a HI ... Seriously. And you wonder why some states prohibit HIs from removing panel covers.

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I'm curious, what good is paying for a home inspection if they cannot remove the panel cover?
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Probably because it allows them to stay alive long enough to hand you their report and bill.

I would make it clear to the buyer who hires the guy, the HI better be correct. Because if I have to pay a plumber, electrician, etc to come and look at items that the HI flagged and the professional finds that there is no problem with, the cost is going to be charged back to the buyer.

-Hal
 
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